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| rubylith |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 1:19:56 PM
Hello...yes I have more to say...
so yesterday soemone stole a car, anbd 5 schoosl in my area were placed under "lockdown". The children were herded into the corner, lights shut off and window blinds up. The police were outside saying, and I quote, "Go inside, lock your door, do not ask questions".
So for anyone that disagrees with me when I talk about the police state, you are wrong. This is the 3rd time this year. We better get used to it. Condition the children to accept militarized police in black ski masks with assault rifles and no badge numbers.
i think i am going to be sick. The worst part is most think, "well thats good the children were safe"....idiots...
I hope the mcdonalds eating, wal mart shopping, american idol, CSI watching americans will one day wake up and grow a brain....
YOU ARE BEING BRAINWASHED!!!! |
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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/17/2005 : 12:55:44 PM
We were to busy colonizing this continent to go to africa. This countries history, no this continents history makes me sick. It continues though as the world bank continues to make loans to countries like Edcudor and then build structures like harbors that benifit the upper class while the peoples social programs are slashed to pay back the debts. Then when they can not pay back the debts they authorize companies (mostly US) to drill for oil, tear down the rain forest, and destroy indigenous people, and when the countries leaders stand up against this, they are assisnated by the CIA sponsered jackals. Anyway that's my rant for today. |
| tericee |
Posted - 05/17/2005 : 11:36:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zachmozach
I wouldn't exactly use most of what goes on in Africa as a tribal model, because in most cases as people still refer to a tribe they are indeed no more tribal in most cases than say an irish person. I guess it kind of depends on your definition of tribal, but I wouldn't in most cases say that the natives here are really living a tribal lifestyle either. I think though like Arthen said in Africa most of the problems are being caused by the colonization of the continent. I mean they weren't starving when they lived a hunter gatherer lifestyle. Wars amongst the tribes where similar to the American natives, and well pretty much all the problems weren't there that are there today, or at least not on this level.
I'll buy that - to a large extent. I still think there are allegiences in African society that are nothing like we have here in the U.S. -- like the warlord thing in Somalia. I guess that's what I was thinking of when I said a tribal way of life...
And can I just say that even though this country has made lots of other big mistakes (in Africa and elsewhere), I'm happy that at least the U.S. wasn't part of the colonization of Africa... |
| rubylith |
Posted - 05/17/2005 : 10:51:49 AM
that's why im so frustrated.
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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 10:14:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rubylith
right now its hard for most to see...
but when they start using the sound wave weapons on protestors, and putting RFID chips in your insurance stickers, and our national ID card, things will start to seem more clear. And that is all this year!
I don't doubt that it's being implemented, but it's not here yet and so it's hard to make a case for it. Much like in pre-war germany you would probably have a hard time convincing people of what was to come. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 10:12:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by tericee
Do you really think so? I don't know much about it, but they have something resembling a tribal system in Africa (mostly) and it's a mess. Genocide, starvation, AIDS, etc...
I wouldn't exactly use most of what goes on in Africa as a tribal model, because in most cases as people still refer to a tribe they are indeed no more tribal in most cases than say an irish person. I guess it kind of depends on your definition of tribal, but I wouldn't in most cases say that the natives here are really living a tribal lifestyle either. I think though like Arthen said in Africa most of the problems are being caused by the colonization of the continent. I mean they weren't starving when they lived a hunter gatherer lifestyle. Wars amongst the tribes where similar to the American natives, and well pretty much all the problems weren't there that are there today, or at least not on this level.
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| rubylith |
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 1:06:32 PM
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| dan p. |
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 12:06:11 PM
well, for example. most of the traffic laws would be out the window so long as it doesn't endanger me. i'm also apt to road rage and frequently fantasize about driving old people off the road. i also wouldn't trust myself to not beat my neighbor for beating his wife, or thrashing the kid who constantly drives drunk in my development. i still wouldn't steal anything, though. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 12:00:35 PM
Africa's got as many problems as it does for a number of reasons. Corrupt governments, ineffective governments, and the root of it all was the colonization of Africa by the European powers. |
| tericee |
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 11:24:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zachmozach
What I'm suggesting is that there is more order outside of governments. I basically think a tribal model of society would work much better.
Do you really think so? I don't know much about it, but they have something resembling a tribal system in Africa (mostly) and it's a mess. Genocide, starvation, AIDS, etc... |
| rubylith |
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 09:02:56 AM
right now its hard for most to see...
but when they start using the sound wave weapons on protestors, and putting RFID chips in your insurance stickers, and our national ID card, things will start to seem more clear. And that is all this year! |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/15/2005 : 11:19:02 PM
The only thing I would do is probably drive much faster, and i would run red lights when its like 3am and nobody is on the road. Thats about it though, there isnt much i want to do that I am not allowed to do already. Oh and I would also buy a few automatic weapons an RPG or two and move out of the built up area im in,untill all the psycho people are gone. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/15/2005 : 11:04:44 PM
Ya Arthen I know. It's not an easy situation people have gotten into. I doubt that we'll return to a tribal system anytime soon and maybe that's why I'm so obsessive over it. The problem is that people need to start thinking differently about the present situation we are in. If we were to stop producing more food every year that would be a start, but ultimately just another stick in the damn. I think the biggest problem in the world today is probably moving towards a sustainable population and it's going to be hard to do.
I mean I can't very well say that we should just wipe out a few billion people, but I think eventually when we lose the ability to support as many people as we have today because of a decrease in energy resources, pollution, etc. I hope people will still have a knowledge of the ancient ways and that people can start to understand some basic principles about ways to live. For now all I can do is try to get out my thoughts and hopefully they have an effect on the way people view life. I don't see any other way to have hope for the future other then to try to actually work towards making it better even if all I do is rant about it on the TR message boards
Dan, I was just trying to establish that you choose your actions and the way you behave and that the reasons to do so are not always just because it is illeagal. I used to always say that I would be able to get so much more done if I wasn't working for the man. The reason I did so was to surrvive though. I can see though you only not choosing to do so because there was a law, but I also think that there would be other reasons to not do certain things because you wouldn't like the consequences that are outside of the law. For Example regardless of the law I probably wouldn't kill people because I would probably be shunned and an outcast and I kind of like to interact with people every once in a while.
Just out of curiousity though if there were no laws what would you do that you now wouldn't? |
| dan p. |
Posted - 05/15/2005 : 6:48:35 PM
it doesn't matter that you don't know if i really would or not. i know i really would. social acceptablity aside. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 05/15/2005 : 2:35:04 PM
Zach, everytime you bring up tribal ideas, and you do it on a regular basis, I wonder what the point of it is. We've got 7 billion (probably 8 by now) people on this planet, we've got hundreds of countries/nations/states, and we have cities filled with millions of people. Do you believe that we'll return to a tribal system anytime soon?
If you can figure out a way to retain all of the benefits of modern living, and combine them into a traditional tribal society, let me know, I'd love to join. But unless 95% of the population is wiped out in a Mad Max style, Tribes will never form, and then when you get them Tina Turner will head up a group of mohawked warriors against bands of children. Is that really the kind of world we want? And I think yes, yes it is. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/15/2005 : 1:22:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
there are a lot of things i don't do simply because there are laws that don't allow for it.
I don't know if you really would because if there were no laws against it yet it was still unacceptable socially my guess is that would be enough to keep you from doing it. Like in tribal society if you did something against the tribe like murder you were just banished and that was all there was to it. What I'm getting at is that laws should be made by the people living them and I can safely say they are not in this country anymore made by the "people". |
| dan p. |
Posted - 05/15/2005 : 01:32:06 AM
there are a lot of things i don't do simply because there are laws that don't allow for it. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 10:14:09 PM
Neither do monarchies or governments in general. That's why I say give me a tribal model of life. I don't know why all the animals have systems that work for them whether it's troups, pods, or herds. We once upon a time had one that worked and it was called a tribe. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 7:54:40 PM
I'm all about absolutism. People should never be allowed to govern themselves. Give me all the power and I'll turn this country, nay, the Earth, around.
In history I always get depressed when we start reading about revolutions and how the monarchies were toppled, then we get representative democracies, blah, blah, blah. Plato and I are in the same boat, Democracy is for suckers. |
| Robin |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 6:45:23 PM
Personally, I could do without the harrasment and humiliation that seem to go with any speeding ticket I've gotten. At two a.m. a woman driving a lonely stretch of road being followed without any signs that it's a police car and then being held and lectured for a ridiculous amount of TIMe...well it's creepy.Peace, Robin |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 1:35:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by anthony1832
I agree with that Zach. It's funny, when i was trying to think of a perfect governing system i immediately thought of Native Americans. It's a shame they were wiped out. Native Americans had respectable leaders, and the people had respect for them(Our government lost that a long time ago.) Their religion was a big part of it too. I have always wished i lived in simpler times.
Your last statement is very interesting, i wonder what would happen too. I bet things would calm down after one big explosion of violence.
There are still natives around that try to keep the old ways around and the sad thing is that they've continually taken such a harsh beating from society as they are still today one of the most downtrodden people in this country.
Anyway to expand on how law and order is kept I have a few ideas and to kind of tie in with the hypothetical of no law being implemented. I don't think that the reason that people don't go wild and such isn't because the cops are there and simply because the system has crime deterents. Sure it helps stop some things, but over all there are other reasons why people follow the code of law. Take for example the fact that no matter how severe the punishment crimes are still commited. You would think that inserting a theft law from the middle east would drastically reduce theft as people wouldn't want to risk losing their hand. However this will not stop theft although it may drop and the problem would now be what to do with the handless criminals.
I think another analogy is the pyramid builders. Usually thought of to be slaves, but modern anthropology has proved otherwise. The people building the pyramids got the same thing out of it that we today get out of building large structures. That is they got a living. Like I was talking about earlier with power structures is that the way power structures began and thus civilization and pyramid building and all that started 10,000 or so years ago with the agricultural revolution. Still it took a while for them to really develop, but that's when they started. How? They began to lock up food. People who before merely took what the earth grew now worked the fields to get crops and now to keep people working in the field they had to lock up the food, because the leaders were enjoying a very fruitful life. That same model developed over time and eventually took over the cultures throughout the world as we see today because their population growth was so big they had to expand.
Now like I was saying I don't think it's so much the cops or the laws that keep us living the way we are supposed to or maybe I should say enforcement of the laws, but I think it's our basic views on property rights and trying to surrvive. Even though most people come down to the point of general patriotism and acceptance of the corporate scheme most people still complain in one form or another about both. Why they continue though is that they need to to surrvive. If you accept that people must live this sort of life or they are denied food then you've seen the very heart of the matter. Those that refuse to live this way are the criminals, and the homeless for the most part. They refuse to take part in the system, but it's not that everyone else does it because they fear enforcement, but they know that if they don't take part they don't get the food and shelter they need to surrvive.
That's why I think people even if law stopped tommorow the majority of them would continue to keep this same system or way of life going. Although some people would probably with no consequences try to make life complete chaos I don't think it would happen as so many of us would work towards surrvival. For this large of a population we would still keep order not because someone said so but because we need to. Therefore it's not enforcement of laws that keep people in line it's the people themselves. In reality that's what anarchy is about. Most people have a fundamental misunderstanding about what anarchy is. It's realizing that individual people are upholding the laws, and trying to find a system of sorts in which all power can be justified, and that you don't need a centralized power when each person holds that power within themselves. Anyway that's the jist of it.
People should give in and accept that our way is not working and move beyond it. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 12:48:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
i hate it when people get busted for possession or illegal drinking, or even speeding tickets and parking tickets, and then say "oh police are such assholes." yeah, they're real pricks for doing their jobs and upholding laws you may or may not like.
you shouldn't have been carrying that weed. deal with it.
you shoulnd't have been drinking. deal with it.
you shouldn't have been going that fast. deal with it.
you shouldn't have parked like that. deal with it.
Granted you can't really only blame the cops for such things because it's really the laws that suck, but still the way most police handle things makes them assholes. It should be pointed out that there is a difference between a stupid law and an asshole cop, but I think it's also crucial to point out that there are some real asshole cops out there that want you to respect their authority. |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 12:23:53 AM
Dan p. I am glad someone made that 'all hail dan p.' post, cause if they didnt i was about to lol. Seriously i always look for ur little cartoon thing to see what ur opinion is, and it doesnt matter if i agree with it or not, u usually have good points and back them up well. and if you dont, its entertaining to read anyways. |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 12:20:39 AM
I agree with that Zach. It's funny, when i was trying to think of a perfect governing system i immediately thought of Native Americans. It's a shame they were wiped out. Native Americans had respectable leaders, and the people had respect for them(Our government lost that a long time ago.) Their religion was a big part of it too. I have always wished i lived in simpler times.
Your last statement is very interesting, i wonder what would happen too. I bet things would calm down after one big explosion of violence. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 12:07:43 AM
i hate it when people get busted for possession or illegal drinking, or even speeding tickets and parking tickets, and then say "oh police are such assholes." yeah, they're real pricks for doing their jobs and upholding laws you may or may not like.
you shouldn't have been carrying that weed. deal with it.
you shoulnd't have been drinking. deal with it.
you shouldn't have been going that fast. deal with it.
you shouldn't have parked like that. deal with it. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 12:04:56 AM
What I'm suggesting is that there is more order outside of governments. I basically think a tribal model of society would work much better. It's like anything else. You should only give people power in as much as it is justifiable. For example, a parent may have power over a child like in not letting them run out into the street. That however is justifiable since the parent is looking out for the child. Governments don't do that though. The fundamental role of a government is to protect people. They do a terrible job of this. If you continue to put people in a position of power and they continually base their decisions on helping the elite you have problems and chaos erupts. Because I believe the government today is not about protecting people. They do not protect us from enviromental hazards, they haven't protected us from corporations in general, they haven't despite all the technology been able to stop thousands from starving and that's just a begining of a list.
So I am saying that what we have now is more chaotic then a tribal system with no laws. I guess no laws might not be the way to phrase it, but I would say that most tribes are commited to each other in the way they live and they adopt these ways to live and there are laws, but you might notice that they don't have to have police or enforcers. Why is that? It's a pretty complicated answer, but I think that overall it's more about that they are living in a way in which they just don't have as many problems as our society because of the fundamentals of the way they live. So in a way I'm agreeing with you I just think that the way we're doing it now is not accomplishing the common goal.
It's always interesting to consider what would happen if the law went away tommorow, and most people think of chaos and crazy wars breaking out. To a certain extent that would probably happen. You have to consider though that it would probably be short term and a majority of the population would continue on in life as normal as possible because the other option would be to die as we don't have the ability to provide food for ourselves without some sort of system. |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 10:11:48 PM
Every government needs law and order, or else it would be chaos. I would bet my life on that statement being true. If I have to, I would take just order over nothing at all. I never said cops keep us from chaos, law and order does, which is a much larger system. With our governments law and order there is chaos, like you said, but its much less then no law and order at all.
As far as cops being assholes, yes there are some. But a cop can only be an asshole up to the full extent of the law. Once he is there he has to stop. If he crosses that line, then he can be labled as a bad, or corrupt cop. I have had many run ins with the police as well, ive been pulled over, have had parties broken up, and have been tear gassed at a riot. But in every case myself, or my friends, had been breaking the laws that the police are here to enforce. Sometimes the cops have been "assholes", meaning they busted us, and sometimes they have not. I am NOT trying to say this system is perfect, a lot of things need to be fixed. Law enforcement, at all levels, has a system made specifically to pick out bad police/agents/departments. It has not worked perfectly, but nothing does.
Also, I agree that elite classes have a large grasp on this country. It is not a good thing. However, in every large scale government known to man there has been an elite and powerful force. I am not frightened because I am glad that this force is composed of multiple people, rather than a king or queen. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 9:15:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by anthony1832
The truth is every government needs law and order, or else it would be chaos. Sometimes it might not always seem fair, but go take a trip to a middle eastern country and look at how their justice is served, you would never complain again if you did.
Yes because what we have now is strictly order. You think what we have now isn't chaos? Have you looked around lately or been outside? I mean it's not hell or anything, but you think this is a good sense of order? Homeless people everywhere, drug addictions, and nuclear weapons and yet we need to continue this system or we'll have chaos. Look whether you want to admit it or not the so called law and order of you civilized history has been the bringer of chaos for a long time. You should take a look at the fundamental things that allow a power structure to be built because if you can't explain how the power structures we have today have developed and came about then you can't really talk about law and order and chaos. Laws specifically are meant to keep class systems and enusre one mans right to property over another. Anyway I don't want to get into this too deep right now, but if you think cops keep us from chaos I think you need to further examine the system.
Now as for the other stuff on this thread. Bad laws make bad cops period. Not counting the fact that many cops are just plain assholes, I think it's imperitive to note that there is no such thing as a good cop when they are working for and injust and corrupt system. They are here to serve and protect and they do a shitty job of it. I've had many run ins with the law (almost none were about anything I've done) and not one has been good.
As far as 9/11 goes I don't preach that the US government was behind it because I have not seen concrete evidence towards it, but there is a very strong case for it. I think there are many questions that need to be answered and I strongly consider that the government was behind it. There are just to many things that are shrouded in mystery and don't add up. One thing is for sure and that's that it didn't go down the way they said it did. Who exactly was behind it is another story.
All in all this country is going to shit and it's because of people getting dumb trusting the news and allowing the elite classes to rule the world in a frightening manner. When were fifty years in the future and the new dark age has began I'll remember to be happy I'm in such a great place |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 8:20:25 PM
No I am not a cop, but I have respect for their job and I get upset when people put them down. They risk their necks for others and deserve our respect. I'm not saying every cop is a saint, but their career choice is one that a lot of people would fear to do, and what they do is needed in our communities. I also have taken multiple courses in criminal justice at my university and understand how, and why the system works. I'm not saying my waver idea is the greatest idea, it would never happen(and probably shouldn't hah), but if I had my own country I would implement it. Now about parking tickets. There is usually a good reason behind every parking ticket, fire lane, handicap, reserved etc. They may seem rediculous to you, and sometimes they are, but parking tickets, speeding tickets, turning right on no right turn tickets, etc. are large sources of income for the police force. If it wasn't for these tickets, that only go out to those people who break the law, we would all be taxed higher, and people would complain. Also handicap people would have to walk/wheel from far away spaces, cars will have to be towed in order to access a fire hyrdrant(causing more damage to a burning structure), accidents on highways would be more deadly, and there would be more accidents at intersections. There is no reason to be paranoid about a parking ticket, or speeding, or anything like that if you don't do it. I'd guess 90% of people who have run ins with the law like this are damn well aware what they did, they just felt luck was on their side. The truth is every government needs law and order, or else it would be chaos. Sometimes it might not always seem fair, but go take a trip to a middle eastern country and look at how their justice is served, you would never complain again if you did. |
| Jay |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 6:30:33 PM
Anthony, are you a cop or something? Let me explain something here...The police are here for when we NEED them, like you said. I know that. What bothers me to a great extent is that, for the most part, the negativity of police...Handing out parking tickets isn't protecting anything, it's making money for the city. I should sign a waver telling the police not to do their REAL job (Protect and Serve) because I hate the time-wasting and no doubt assinine way they operate? Someone's murdered, let's say. The police are on to the murder, and let's say he's armed. The police often to the most commendable of actions and put their lives on the line, risking injury and death for the victim's relatives and for the general safety of the public. That is where police are needed. So basically, what you have said is that the police AREN'T doing their job, and because some of us can't stand that, we shouldn't benefit from their actual societal purpose as protectors. The police, as common knowledge maintains, are supported by our tax money. Our earnings. Now, if a cop risked his life to protect mine, no way in hell I wouldn't give him everything I've got in return. That is what the police are there for. So your waiver idea, if the people who sign it don't pay taxes to the cops let's say, is absolutely counter-intuitive. Just because I hate the police doesn't mean I don't want them to protect others, not to mention myself. But christ, if they're out busting people for bogus reasons and generally spreading paranoia, I'm not a happy camper. So if the electric guy is running around your neighborhood shocking people with a open cable and the power happens to go out in a snow storm, those people who've been shocked and, consequently, got pissed off, shouldn't have their power turned back on. |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 4:43:05 PM
Oh, forgive me it was 4 hours, and ther was no lights in the middle of the day. Considering the average person lives through 657,000 hours I dont think 4 hours is gonna matter in the long run. |
| SurferX |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 3:43:13 PM
http://www.prisonplanet.com
http://www.abovetopsecret.com
ATS is a little weird for me, but PP is probably the best source for all news related to everything in this thread. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 2:15:03 PM
very good...
oh and to anthony...you nor the paper was there...i was...they were placed under a lockdown for the last 2 periods...and were not let out of school until 4:45...
the police told people to go inside and lock your doors
and they turned the lkights off...sometimes the media leaves out a few details...like the recently discovered meeting minutes that bush would "fix the facts around the policy" to invade iraq |
| Ultra Kimchi |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 2:09:01 PM
thanks man, I had fun writing it :) |
| guitarisPIMP |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 1:59:11 PM
HAHAHA kimchi i'm so glad i finished reading that long-ass post... that just made my day. |
| Ultra Kimchi |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 1:16:50 PM
the illuminati runs with world banks, who are made of members of the skull and bones @ yale, and all the high-profile elite that are Masons and memebers of the Ancient scottish right--the origin of the knights of the templar. America is seen as the new Rome, as is predicted in Revelations in the bible, as a new nation will arise. The antichrist is not here yet, but will be soon. Washington D.c., by virtue of its pentagram-like geometries of its main street layouts, forms the symbol of satan himself, with all lines overlapping and longest one extending out to the washington Monument, the Washington Monument lies on a straight line, precisely 900 West of the Capitol. The Washington Monument(left) is the most important Presidential monument to the occultist, because it is an obelisk set inside a circle. What, you are probably saying, is an obelisk? An obelisk is a tall, four-sided stone pillar tapering toward a pyramidal top.
The obelisk is critically important to the occultist because they believe that the spirit of the ancient Egyptian sun god, Ra, resided in the obelisk.
Thus, the obelisk represents the very presence of the sun god, whom the Bible calls Satan.
There are four major obelisks that were erected by Freemasons in the 19th century.
The first obelisk was brought to France from Thebes, Egypt, and was placed in Paris's Revolution Square the site of mass public guillotining during the Mason lead Bloody French Revolution.
The second obelisk was brought to England from Alexandria, Egypt, and was placed next to the Thames river in London.
The third obelisk was brought to America in 1881 from Alexandria, Egypt, and was placed in Central Park in New York City.
The fourth obelisk is the Washington Monument, built to commemorate our First President, George Washington(who was a Free Mason). The Washington Monument was constructed by Masons, according to Masonic tradition, as a symbol that this country was controlled by Freemasonry from the very beginning.
Thus the arch of the covanent is buried beneith the washington monument, will be opened, the antichrist shall come forth, and all of us shall lose our penises.
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| rubylith |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 1:03:17 PM
here is the video of the leaseholdeer of the WTC admitting they pulled building 7.
http://www.infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV
i am not going to try and get you to believe me...judge for yourself...do some reasearch...this is what I believe and about 90% of the 9/11 families. |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 11:11:37 AM
Government behind 9/11 is the most absurd thing ever. I have seen all the claims, and all of them are rediculous. One of them is that a cruise missle was shot into the pentagon. So in order for the governemnt to do this, they would have to pass an order to the navy, to shoot a missle at the pentagon and keep everyone quiet about it. I am sure the guys in the navy would do that. They also would have to make a huge plot that involved the entire government, which means that a lot of people would have to keep their mouths shut, which would not happen. They also claim that building 7 was "pulled" because the government planned that. So now you gotta keep the people in charge of building 7 quiet. Also they claim the planes that hit the twin towers were military. So now you got to get two crazy pilots who are willing to run planes into their own countries buildings, and you gotta keep the officers in charge of them uninformed of what they are doing. Which is pretty much impossible. You also have to get Osama Bin Laden to agree that he was behind the 9/11 attacks, knowing damn well that if he agrees to hit, he is for sure gonna have a target on his ass. They also claim the media is in it because some media stations are controlled by GE who is a major military manufacturer. So you have to get the head people of GE in on it, and the head people of the media in on it, and you have to keep them quiet. They also claimed that the two towers were wired to be demolished. So now you have to keep the people in charge of the twin towers quiet. It is just impossible to keep this many people quiet, about such a large scale thing. |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 11:01:08 AM
"Now, the standard police mantra is "To Protect and Serve," correct? So really, when I see a cop I'm supposed to think along the lines of, "Wow, I feel safe and protected..." NO! I feel terror, dread, paranoid...Even if I have no illegal substances or if I'm doing nothing wrong (Which is most of the time, anyway). Police make me sick, and this story is pretty crazy...Lockdown because of a stolen car? All right, last time a car was stolen in my town, the cops said, "Well, we don't know where it is..." and went back to handing out parking tickets. God Dammit, I hate the police."
I think people who hate the police should sign a waver. One that agrees that whenever you are in need of them, like ur family member gets murdered, or someone robs your house, they wont respond. And as a bonus to those people you won't have to pay that portion of taxes that goes to them. Police are not gonna go out on a wild goose chase for a stolen car. The car is flagged as stolen, and it is reported to the officers, if they come across it they will pull it over. I also doubt that quote "Well, we don't know where it is..." is very genuine. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 10:57:34 AM
yeah, i've always steered clear of talking about the whole "government behind 9/11" thing you have, as well as the "brainwashing" thing, too. only because it would make a huge mess because anything i could say about it would sound like me making fun of you. but since we're here, frankly i think it's you that's being brainwashed by this extreme left wing conspiracy stuff. the way you throw around terms like "police state" and "brainwashed" appears to be little more and little better than how others throw around words like "patriotism" "freedom" and "security." words designed specifically to illict reaction favorable to a given agenda. an alarmist one, in this case.
i don't agree with your theories. am i brainwashed? i would contend that i am not. i'm a lot of bad things, but that's not one of them.
that's really all i'm going to say about that. |
| anthony1832 |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 10:41:15 AM
When I saw your post I couldn't help but laugh. There are a few reasons.
First of all, I highly doubt the schools were placed under lockdown because of a stolen car. What most people don't understand is that when police have something like this happen, a lot of idiots who liked to stir the pot, call in and give anonymous tips. Like the guy was crazy and liked to hurt children, or he told someone he was gonna make a car bomb. Now you b*tch cause the police locked down the school, however if they did not, and someone ran into the school killing a classroom of children, you would b*tch that they did not do anything. So no matter what the case is, you're gonna b*tch.
Second of all, the school was under lockdown for the last 2 periods. You make it sound like the entire county was under lockdown the entire day.
Thirdly, I love your creditable news source who can't capitalize the beginning of their sentences, and claims the government was behind the 9/11 attacks. Who wrote this the Michigan Militia Times? Yep, the government wanted some cash, so they said "hey lets start a multi billion dollar war, that will cost lots of lives, and is just like vietnam. Oh, and lets start it by running plains into buildings that would destroy our economy, and kill a lot of people!" I think these people have watched the movie "In Plane Site" way too many times. Oh yeah, speaking of brain wash, thats what you have been to believe this paranoid BS.
Fourthly, you have not had your rights taken away, a school was locked down for 2 periods, which is like 2 hours. You make it sound like marshall law was declared, lol oh man this makes me laugh. If you were to call the parents of each kid in that school, I am sure the parents would have agreed with the actions taken, for their safety.
Also if you eat mcdonalds, shop at wal mart, watch american idol or CSI, you don't have a brain........ lol, is that a scientific fact?
I am glad you question the government, because sometimes they deserve to be questioned, and it is your right, but this is not the time. Stop being a pansy, your rights were not taken away. When the government comes to your house and ties you up in a chair for posting this article, then you can start posting on here about rights being taken away.
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| rubylith |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 09:14:04 AM
here is my counties forum...they think im an idiot and i should obey because there is a threat, apperently they werent there....well 99% of them:
http://www.nj.com/forums/hunterdon/index.ssf?artid=7240
Here is the news article:
http://www.pennlive.com/news/expresstimes/nj/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1115888897181520.xml
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| pcbTIM |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 03:38:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zachmozach
It's a logical obsurdity. Not that a lot of quanum mechanics isn't.
For a little explanation, this quote is taken from Michael Critchon's book Timeline (my favorite by him)
quote:
Quantum technology flatly contradicts our common sense of how the world works. It posits a world where computers operate without being turned on and objects are found without looking for them. An unimaginably powerful computer can be built from a single molecule. Information moves instantly between two points, without wires or networks. Distant objects are examined without any contact. Computers do their calculations in other universes.
I also find the EPR paradox very interesting. If a particle breaks into 2 subparticles, it is well-known that their spins must be equal an opposite. Now let's say you let the two subparticles drift apart for, say, several light years. Then you measure the spin of one of them. Whenever you measure something, you alter its value to some degree. Therefore, if you measure one of the subparticles, which changes its spin slightly, and the two spins of the subparticles have to be equal and opposite, AND they are several light years apart.....then the other particle must instantly change its spin as well, implying that there is a way to travel faster than the speed of light because the information of the change in spin was sent to the other subparticle which was farther than one light year away. Very cool. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 11:23:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
chaos is the way of nature. all systems break down.
Chaos itself is a system. There in lies the secret. All systems can't break down. If all systems break down then what about the system that comes from all systems being broken? It's a logical obsurdity. Not that a lot of quanum mechanics isn't. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 10:17:07 PM
chaos is the way of nature. all systems break down. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 9:53:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
yeah, i never feel too secure with cops around. not because i'm doing anything illegal (unless i'm driving a car. then chances are i'm doing something wrong.) it's not that i think they're out to get me, it that, here at least, they don't fucking do anything. they still haven't found the axe murderer from november. they still don't know who killed the old lady 5 minutes from me. kids are underage drinking all over the place, i still haven't gotten a ticket. it's anarchy.
I think we've had this discussion before, but what most people think of as chaos or whatever to me is this form of government and those other forms that have existed over the last 10,000 or so years. Anarchy is about order, but on a whole different level. What we have now is nothing like anarchy but it is chaos. The whole state of the world is chaos, but people are cultured in their ways and it's hard to break. |
| Jiyra |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 9:21:37 PM
you should move near ruby, dan, then at least the cops would be doing something. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 8:25:16 PM
yeah, i never feel too secure with cops around. not because i'm doing anything illegal (unless i'm driving a car. then chances are i'm doing something wrong.) it's not that i think they're out to get me, it that, here at least, they don't fucking do anything. they still haven't found the axe murderer from november. they still don't know who killed the old lady 5 minutes from me. kids are underage drinking all over the place, i still haven't gotten a ticket. it's anarchy. |
| Robin |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 8:16:51 PM
That's horrible,no wonder you feel sick.It's scary to think about that happening and yet sadly not suprising.Maybe find someTIMe in nature to heal your soul Peace, Robin |
| Jay |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 3:59:15 PM
Now, the standard police mantra is "To Protect and Serve," correct? So really, when I see a cop I'm supposed to think along the lines of, "Wow, I feel safe and protected..." NO! I feel terror, dread, paranoid...Even if I have no illegal substances or if I'm doing nothing wrong (Which is most of the time, anyway). Police make me sick, and this story is pretty crazy...Lockdown because of a stolen car? All right, last time a car was stolen in my town, the cops said, "Well, we don't know where it is..." and went back to handing out parking tickets. God Dammit, I hate the police. |
| Jiyra |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 3:15:04 PM
I'm totally on your side ruby, but why were the cops herding children? shouldn't they be out looking for the guy who stole the car instead of terrorizing kids? |
| enthuTIMsiast |
Posted - 05/12/2005 : 1:35:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rubylith
I hope the mcdonalds eating, wal mart shopping, american idol, CSI watching americans will one day wake up and grow a brain....
Ick, McDonalds.
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