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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/06/2005 : 8:55:48 PM
Anyone catch what's going on with this? It's basically some minutes from a meeting between british officials and people from the Bush administration. It basically shows that the US was carrying out air attacks in Sept. of '02 when the war wasn't officially on till March the next year, and that these attacks were specifically for the preparation of the US invasion. This is before the administration asked congress for the yay or nay to declare war and before the UN vote was held. I urge all of you to write your representitive and demand an investigation into this. I really hope it's enough to impeach the asshole.
Check out the stories... http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/06/1328242
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/06/1328247
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050613&s=scahill
If you are still behind the war wake the hell up! |
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| Robin |
Posted - 06/21/2005 : 10:17:56 PM
I just finished watching a rather chilling piece on the silencing of NPR and PBS. I didn't get the guy's names but one was a conservative which was putting it lightly. He went on and on about the way Bill Moyer has slanted the Corporation For Public Broadcasting to a very Liberal (OH NO!!!!) agenda,and that the American people were not supportive of this. The other gentleman (a liberal)? was making the point that it was just not true, and why was he harping on Bill Moyer anyway since he's retired. THEN the subject of a cartoon character on PBS, who visited a lesbian couple in Vermont,was brought by conservative dude, and he really was scary in the way Cheny can be. It was awful to watch and I felt the liberal guy made all the points I would support.
The bottom line to me, is that the goverment will stop at nothing to keep their point of view in the media exclusivly. I know that NPR isn't the best either but at least it's closer to the truth. If you value public Television ad radio Move on.org is passing a petition and there's a place to personalize a comment to your senators. this is very disturbing to me. Peace,Robin
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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/21/2005 : 9:09:23 PM
The sad thing is to see how much worse it has gotten over even the last 30 years. I mean 30 years ago you would have thought that you would have seen at least one reporter from one network that isn't an independent media source, would have blown this thing wide open. I mean this to me is worse then the watergate fiasco and not one single major network will even really touch the thing. It seems like any respectable journalist would try to blow this thing wide open. If nothing else it would give the nation a scandal to stay tuned into. It makes no sense other than that the press is so controlled it has become pretty much useless except as a propaganda machine.
Anyway, I guess it's just more step to getting back to the dark ages and I hope all the stupid americans dig it. |
| Robin |
Posted - 06/21/2005 : 8:48:15 PM
Ditto for me. It's infuriating isn't it? And sadly not surprising at all. Peace, Robin |
| rubylith |
Posted - 06/21/2005 : 2:49:20 PM
i sure am, and its nice to see someone shares my views as well. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/21/2005 : 2:16:23 PM
Once again the media doesn't do it's job, or I should maybe say that it does it's job although now it's job is to just support the government and it's corporate masters.
I really hope when everbody finally wakes up and we are living in a police state as corporate slaves that I can say I told you so and bitch and moan all I want about how stupid everyone was.
I hope you all realize now that government lied to you, about Iraq and went there for their own agenda, and completely pushed propaganda on you. Only now that you know that we the US went in and killed 100,000 people and it seems like no one cares. This is total proof that the government is completely corrupt. He should be held as a war criminal. I hope you all are as pissed as I am about this. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 06/21/2005 : 11:35:29 AM
Classic Bait And Switch Enacted As Downing Street Memos Called Possible Hoax
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/200605baitandswitch.htm |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/17/2005 : 5:16:17 PM
Damn corporate media... Now campare those headlines to an independent news source like Democracy Now!
Headlines for June 17, 2005
- U.S. Launches Offensive In Iraq
- Americans Disapprove of Bush Iraq Policy
- Calls for Clear Exit Strategy Mount
- U.S. Lied About 'Napalm' Use in Iraq
- Halliburton Gets New Gitmo Contract
- Bush Admin Alters G8 Global Warming Language
- AIDS Experiments on Foster Kids Violated Federal Law
- Killen Trial Stopped Briefly
PBS TV Station President Warns CPB Funding Cuts Will Launch "Spiral of Death for Public Broadcasting"
On Thursday, the House Appropriations Committee voted to drastically cut funding to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. We host a roundtable discussion on the continuing fight over public broadcasting in this country with the presidents of two PBS stations as well as Jeff Chester of the Center for Digital Democracy.
Downing Street and Beyond: Hearing Builds Momentum for Full Investigation
More than thirty members of Congress convened at a public hearing in Washington Thursday to investigate the so-called "Downing Street memo." We play excerpts of the hearing chaired by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) that featured former ambassador Joe Wilson, veteran CIA analyst Ray McGovern, attorney John Bonifaz and Cindy Sheehan whose son Casey was killed in Iraq in 2004.
British Father of Soldier Killed in Iraq: "My Son Died For a Lie"
We speak with Reginald Keyes, British father of Lance Corporal Tom Keyes, who was killed in Iraq in June 2003. Keyes ran against British Prime Minister Tony Blair in the British elections earlier this year and he got roughly 10% of the vote.
Iran Votes in Presidential Election
Today's elections in Iran are expected to be the closest presidential election in the country's history. Former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani is the leading candidate to succeed President Khatami. We go to Tehran to get a report.
I actually reccomend checking out todays show for coverage of the Downing street memo and the PBS fiasco. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 06/17/2005 : 2:56:22 PM
wanna know why people don't know or care, here are the headlines at msnbc.com no new "runaway bride" updates thank god...
Mickelson struggles in 2nd round of U.S. Open
U.S. bank deal biggest investment in China
Key to Pistons' success: Keeping Duncan down
Let Dad have what he really wants — a nap
A former Python takes a less-traveled path
This kitty is a little more two-faced than most
Kids prefer fruit to junk food, survey finds
Apple's iPod is now fit for a queen
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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/17/2005 : 12:42:57 PM
The Bush Adminstration so far is taking the ignore it route. They know if they are investigated into it would mean impeachment. This is serious stuff, and I can't comprehend how more people aren't up in arms about this. This basically proves that the war for WMD's and all that BS is exactly that, BS. I mean the guy outright lied to the world and the american people. They completely pulled one over on the american people and no one even seems all that pissed about it. This is the proof we've needed to show the people what was going on all along. I hope people make him fry for this one. |
| pants_happy |
Posted - 06/17/2005 : 12:16:17 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/krwashbureau/20050617/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_usiraq_memo_wa_1 |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/10/2005 : 6:28:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
well if that's true, then abortion will never be wholly illegalized, and gay marriage will never be wholly illegalized, because once it is, that's one less voting getting issue in their corner. it's weird, when you think about it. they say they're doing the bidding of their god, but they never will because they'll lose votes.
I guess it's kind of a weird thing though as they do really care about votes so I guess I should say that they do care about it and all it's just for certain reasons. If making gay marriage ileagal will help them out they'll do it and same with abortion. I don't really think these people are actually trying to do their gods bidding or whatever, but they want everyone to think they are. |
| rdj218 |
Posted - 06/10/2005 : 3:06:22 PM
please click to voice you discontent with bushie-boy...needs 500,000 signatures so pass on if you can.
http://www.moveonpac.org/tellthetruth/?id=5653-2629415-tUYrj5eCci_opnEhps1Bww&t=3 |
| dan p. |
Posted - 06/10/2005 : 2:24:26 PM
well if that's true, then abortion will never be wholly illegalized, and gay marriage will never be wholly illegalized, because once it is, that's one less voting getting issue in their corner. it's weird, when you think about it. they say they're doing the bidding of their god, but they never will because they'll lose votes. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/10/2005 : 12:43:13 PM
It's not something that they are really concerned with, but they know they can use it to get votes. It's also used as an issue so they can focus on it and stay away from real issues, like why we continue to subsidize corporate america and do their bidding. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 7:45:43 PM
see that's a comfort i take in not having kids. they say we're just borrowing this planet from our children. but me? i'm borrowing from total strangers. and there's no colateral. i can use up all the resources, lead a great life, and leave an empty smoking shell to strangers.
it's something i don't get about conservatives. they're concerned about homosexuals? with the war on? with the terrorism they claim is rampant. gays are something you're going to fucking worry about? gays and abortion? gays didn't decided the pentagon would look better with one less side. women who got abortions didn't kill all these people. if you're going to set forth that this war is necessary and important, and freedom hating terrorists are everywhere, then get your priorities straight. or, you know, rethink your life before jumping up everyone else's ass about morals. if you're telling me gays are a big deal, well then that says a lot about the relative importance of the current security situation, doesn't it? it's about on par with 2 guys having sex together. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 7:29:57 PM
That's the thing that gets me the most. These people support people who are directly responsible for destroying the planet we live on. They are really screwing the earth up. These people will tell me though how it's a good thing Bush is in office cause he concerned and is making an effort to fight pollution. It's ridiculous beyond belief. To me the things being done to the enviroment are right up there with the greatest evils of all time like killing the jews and slavery and such. It's almost worse becuase they are making it so the earth is having a harder and harder time supporting the people on it. In the future when it's not ok to go outside because of such terrible air pollution and there is such a limited supply of drinking water and it's unsafe to eat all sealife, and so forth most of these people will be dead and children will look back at their grandpas and grandmas and they will say you voted for an oil man and you just sat around and watched these asses do this to our planet? |
| Robin |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 1:04:59 PM
Yeah,and now that their "man" is in office, they somehow think that anyTIMe someone has an opinion other than their's, we're baby killin'tree huggin' pot smokin'liberals. Ohhh I used the "L" word. Peace, Robin |
| rdj218 |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 12:57:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Zachmozach
Sorry. It's probably pretty offending to the conservetives when I damn them, but it literally drives me nuts going to a school where like 80% of the people there seem to be really conservitive. The problem I guess more lies in being incredibly misinformed and not on their political ideas although their political ideas are completely mixed up because they are so misinformed. So everywhere I go I get these mostly religous people trying to tell me how killing a 100,000 Iraqi people and invading a country that posed no threat to anyone is a good idea, but that toking up is evil along with sex and swearing.
A lot of conservatives could be damned though Using the bible for their own agenda's, hmmmm?? I think you should bless them cause they need it!!!"Bless them with wisdom God."
My husband and I get a kick out of conservative focus especially when the bible is used to back their agenda's. It's like they forget to study the ten commandments--the basics like dont judge. Also, voting for Bush when he's creating unbelievable debt for our nation and killing masses?!!! From what I understand, the bible is more concerned with debt and murder than toking, gay sex, and swearing.
--Anyway, I feel for yah cause I too have similar problems with people who claim to be ssooooo righteous yet don't know their own ass from a whole in the ground. ....There are sssoooo many of them too!!! |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 11:57:05 AM
Sorry. It's probably pretty offending to the conservetives when I damn them, but it literally drives me nuts going to a school where like 80% of the people there seem to be really conservitive. The problem I guess more lies in being incredibly misinformed and not on their political ideas although their political ideas are completely mixed up because they are so misinformed. So everywhere I go I get these mostly religous people trying to tell me how killing a 100,000 Iraqi people and invading a country that posed no threat to anyone is a good idea, but that toking up is evil along with sex and swearing. |
| Muskrat |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 12:16:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zachmozach
Damn conservitives!
Only part I didn't like in that post. You're among people of all opinions on this board, and besides, you catch more flies with honey. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 8:30:54 PM
Ya who gives a shit what he does sexually? He was a bad president, because he was like everyone else looking out for corporate needs and also bombing and sanctioning like an ass. He has little to do with politics or Iraq now though. It's because of dubya that we are there like we are now. Bush has lied to the american people oer something a little more important than oral sex. |
| guitarisPIMP |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 6:03:22 PM
Presidents are human, and they have sexual desires(presumably). I never saw the big deal behind this "scandal," except for the fact that he committed adultery. Regardless, he still did a good job keeping the trend of growth in our economy, unlike Bushy boy here. |
| therippa |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 2:56:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Arthen
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
hahaha. nwo is was wwf wrestling team.
what i don't like is how conservatives keep on bringing up bill clinton's sexual indescretion. it has nothing to do with anything now.
But he recieved oral sex!!!! IN THE OVAL OFFICE!!! AHHHHHH!!!
I don't want to be president, but I want to get invited to the White House just so I can have sex in the Lincoln Bedroom.
I'd rather have my president get blown that have him blow up countries. Maybe that's what Dubya needs, a good hummer. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 2:53:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
hahaha. nwo is was wwf wrestling team.
what i don't like is how conservatives keep on bringing up bill clinton's sexual indescretion. it has nothing to do with anything now.
But he recieved oral sex!!!! IN THE OVAL OFFICE!!! AHHHHHH!!!
I don't want to be president, but I want to get invited to the White House just so I can have sex in the Lincoln Bedroom. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 11:50:22 AM
hahaha. nwo is was wwf wrestling team.
what i don't like is how conservatives keep on bringing up bill clinton's sexual indescretion. it has nothing to do with anything now. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 09:15:02 AM
NWO |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/07/2005 : 7:24:10 PM
Clinton is no good in my book either. Clinton however now is relitively unimportant and Bush is still using this retoric to gather strength for his policies in the middle east. That's actually one of the things I like about democracy now as a source for news. Amy Goodman who is the host of Democracy Now is often considered to be a super liberal news person, but when she interviewed president Clinton she raked him over the coals too. Actually asking a leader uncomfortable questions, is a concept most media personell don't like. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 06/07/2005 : 3:55:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guitarisPIMP
"The truth is that Bush, like President Bill Clinton before him, oversaw the longest sustained bombing campaign since Vietnam against a sovereign country with no international or US mandate."
Wow... and I live in this country?
Where's the uproar against Clinton? I don't think either of them were necessarily correct, but you can't just bitch at Bush.
Advisor: There's this issue with Monica Lewinsky coming up, sir...
Bill Clinton: Aw, shit. Who can we bomb?
Advisor: We've got planes over Iraq now! |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 06/07/2005 : 3:29:44 PM
So I had a conversation with one of the arch republicans at school today about this and wow it's a crazy world. I love how after you shut down everything they have to say it always comes down to that they believe in god and orginal sin so the world is a bad place and they have completely different outlooks on things. I really love it when someones political philosophies and such are soley based and defended on the idea that their religion is right. The worst part is she thought that the memos like this should never be seen by the public. Damn conservitives! |
| guitarisPIMP |
Posted - 06/06/2005 : 9:48:14 PM
"The truth is that Bush, like President Bill Clinton before him, oversaw the longest sustained bombing campaign since Vietnam against a sovereign country with no international or US mandate."
Wow... and I live in this country? |
