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| Fluffy |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 2:51:59 PM
WOW WOW and WOW!!! He better beware of those rabiDuMB fans!
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Why Dave Will Ultimately Fail
posted by RowanRogers
Dave is a wonderful great and musician…. top notch. However, this doesn’t quite explain his mass appeal…. after all, a lot of bands can outsell big arenas, Dave sells out football fields…. three nights in a row…. Two Reasons have contributed to his success besides great music: 1.) Hardwork…you are probably like well doh!, but seriously you do not get to that level without being a ball buster 24/7. The Warehouse started in the 90’s was VERY VERY smart for building a DMB culture, they knew were they were headed. 2.) DMB doesn’t really step on anybody’s toes…think about it, they are not too jazzy or too bluegrass, they are not too much of a Jam band like Phish, they can make songs that are playable on the radio. Dave writes about common themes many of which appeal to the male psyche particularly yuppies, but he is also a diehard romantic, which of course, appeals to the girls. In addition, his music is uplifting with messages about living life to the fullest…. Yes, Dave has political messages and is supposedly against big corporations, but he is kind of lame about getting these messages across and tends to plays it safe.
And this is where the band goes wrong, DMB has created such a beast they no longer need to be hardworking and their mass appeal combined with their dependence on the record label will ultimately cause the band to continue to falter or retire. DMB does not experiment outside of their realm…they have reached the pinnacle of their style and now there are too many cooks in kitchen and Dave can let other people do the music for him. If Dave was truly dedicated to the craft of music making we would see either more experimental style or he would try to reinvent himself to a younger audience. However, they are producing the same regurgitated music. If you went to a bunch of 16 year olds most of them would not be all that familiar with Dave. Yet, when I was in high school in the 90’s everyone knew Dave.
Not to mention, I’ve seen Dave in the weeds, he is a belligerent drunk, cokehead who makes fun of his fans. I’ve even read articles where he says such things as “if my fans spent as much time reading about politics as they do listening to my shitty blues pop, then maybe the world would be a better place.” I’m not saying Dave isn’t great, but he is not a Michael Jordan and no longer is it for the fun of the game, rather its to nuke it for all its worth. And DMB has such a bank of material, from live sessions to dungeon and dragon’s websites like this…he has nothing to worry about.
So what do yawl think…
to see the PREDICTABLE backlash visit:
http://nancies.org/boards/showthread.php?t=1678295865 |
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| PJK |
Posted - 03/14/2006 : 07:07:44 AM
I wasn't going to comment but what the hell
I won't attack Daves character. I don't know the man personally but he is a dear friend of a friend who has told me nothing but good things about him.
The music, well, most of their new songs, IMO, is crap. If I had to listen to American Baby one more time while working last summer I would have had to shoot myself. I am sure many reasons contribute to this downslide, but the fact is they can make crap and it still sells. As long as that happens and they have convinced themselves that their music is good nothing better will come about except by accident.
I love so many of their early songs, that if they never come up with another great song, I am still thankful to them. They still made a huge impact on my life. I have my own mental video of Cry Freedom that plays in my head whenever I hear that song and it still is as powerful to me now as it was years ago. Two Step another one of my favorites, Rhyme and Reason (a song I have been playing a lot lately, I really relate to) Ants Marching, the list goes on and on. I won't go to another DMB concert because I sat through too much of it the last time, too many new songs, but they continue to be a band with high energy and I have nothing but good thoughts when anyone mentions DMB. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 03/13/2006 : 10:02:42 PM
I bet Tim makes fun of us all the time.
AHAHA |
| guitfiddler |
Posted - 03/13/2006 : 9:17:58 PM
My bad |
| Fluffy |
Posted - 03/12/2006 : 9:44:39 PM
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Regardless of right or wrong, I like this guy. He's funny
Actually, I think they established in the thread on the other board that it was a girl who wrote it. Just so ya know! |
| guitfiddler |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 9:03:05 PM
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Why Dave Will Ultimately Fail
Regardless of right or wrong, I like this guy. He's funny
I agree with some of the stuff that he said, but fail? When it comes to failing, I think that ship has sailed for Dave. He succeeded as an artist, making music that is deep in meaning, yet has mass appeal (or at least he used to). He's been around since the early 90's and made 74 million touring in 2005, so I'd say he has succeeded financialy. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 12:41:21 AM
i'm very careful when discussing a band's change in music in terms of "selling out" and being controlled by record labels. i tend to take this view: it's the artists perogitive to change his style any time he pleases. if dmb takes a more "pop" sound, well then so be it. that's their choice. btcs is one of the best cds i own (better than the neo-metal stuff about warriors and wizards!) it's up there with cds like aerial boundries and nomadic wavelength. but now, i really don't like them. their new direction does not suit me. it doesn't mean they're losing their abilities or "selling out." that may be the impression i get, but it doesn't really mean anything other than i don't like it. too often "selling out" can be directly translated into "i don't like their new music." |
| Muskrat |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 5:32:03 PM
Wow... I can't say I agree with her about them staying in their comfort zone, so to speak, because since BTCS it's definitely been changing. Not neccessarily always for the better, in my opinion. Milking it for all it's work though? or "nuking"? Making fun of fans? Drinking I could see possible, but coke? The last paragraph struck me as strange.
Ha ha I kept trying to think of where I'd heard that name "Salman Rushdie" before. "It all comes back to me now, said the sailor as he spit into the wind..."
After reading/skimming the rest of the thread she ends up taking back a lot of what she said, one comment at a time, saying it's a bunch of stuff she "heard about dave", not what she "saw in the weeds".
I think the user Paris was funny  |
| peewee_zz |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 4:28:43 PM
I typed out a huge reply then my computer crashed...
Basically I like Before these crowded streets and pretty much everything before that. I dislike Everyday and pretty much everything after that. In albums like Busted Stuff I have to pick and choose specific songs and throw away old ones. In albums like Some Devil I seriously can only tolerate grave digger and even that's getting old. I can go so far as to say that only the extra concert CD that came with versions of some devil was worth it.
I love Dave's old stuff, and I think he's great live, even his new songs that i dislike, but lately Dave has made this amazing effort to Yoddle. If you don't believe me then listen to "stay or leave" again. That song could shatter glass.
I kind of wish that he actually would start reguratating. More songs like from under the table and dreaming would really wet my pallette. Basically he needs to start doing whatever(whichever drug) it was that he was doing when he wrote the Halloween.
Now I do very much so enjoy Daves music and he's great at what he does, but that doesn't mean I'm going to buy any new albums.
One suggestion that I can make is on busted stuff he needed to incorperate his entire band. He has an awesome drummer and although i can't get into Boydd Tinsley's (spelled wrong) solo stuff he's amazing as a part of the band. Like Yes Dave's band is great as a whole especially with guest stars like Tim and John Popper (and hopefully some day Ben) but in Busted Stuff he got rid of that "composing" element which is a compilation of all of his instruments and stuck with assembling limited music. This is one of the reasons why I love Blues Travelers, every song is like a pop-rock/blues compilation and not just a song.
About the original thread I disagree with this guy a lot but am still disapointed in the yoddling. And I don't understand where the D&D thing came from but i still want to play D&D with dave, john, and tim |
| Arthen |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 4:26:33 PM
I can't attest to Dave's coke/drug habits myself, but I think he makes a very good point about the actual music of the band. I don't know if they are lazy or being controlled, but I know that for myself they haven't made music that really gets to me in a long time, since BTCS. |
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