| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
 Posted - 12/03/2003 : 1:55:02 PM
|
I got this in an email and found it interesting.
Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft.
Selective Service Number 3 26 46 228.
Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.
Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.
Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army
Reserves on August 07, 1969, under authority of Col. E. Holmes.
Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.
Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of
Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with
Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and
subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction.
Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1,1969, but
anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!
Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice
under Public Law 90-40.
Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive
from justice.
Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.
Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President of
the United States.
All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws,
and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by
Clinton.
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, President Clinton promised
that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19
and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.
******************************
Maybe if Clinton had kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people in
New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.
AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show. Without casting
stones, it is a legitimate question.
There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap
software and gives billions of dollars to charity.
The other sponsors terrorism. That being the case, why was it that the
Clinton Administration spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the
eight years in office, than Osama bin Laden?
THINK ABOUT IT!
******************************
It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.
Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.
This from two people who spent 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath.
Sincerely,
Cdr. Hamilton McWhorter
USN (ret)
|
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
|
|
Katchoo
Try A Little Harder
USA
65 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2003 : 2:49:14 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by PJK
I got this in an email and found it interesting.
THINK ABOUT IT!
******************************
It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.
Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.
This from two people who spent 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath.
Sincerely,
Cdr. Hamilton McWhorter
USN (ret)
Kind of like Jessica Lynch huh? She couldn't remember a damn thing, but things change.
You can't get to the top of our political machine without doing some dirty deeds. They all have skeletons in their closets. We are the only country in the world who gets really caught up in looking for high morality in our politicians. Some are better than others, but none of them are clean. You have to make concessions within our current system.
Bush's list is far more horrendous in my opinion. My cousin was just in Bush's town in Texas last month and he showed me pictures of a permenantly encased/displayed confederate flag in the middle of the town.
Hmmm. Thanks for sharing though!
K. |
 |
|
|
rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
1916 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2003 : 2:59:06 PM
|
just look at george bush...
there were 500,000 votes that didn't count in Florida....who's Florida's govenor? George W. Bush's brother, Jeb Bush...
Halliburton, who's CEO from 1995-2000 was Dick Cheney, won the bid for oil in Iraq, without any other possible bids to other oil companies. Where is Halliburton located? Texas, where George W. is from...
Enron collapsed and everyone seemed to forget, where did the money go, seemingly the sametime, George W. receives $14 million or so from an annonymous person, who was later found to be the head guy at Enron...
The was not one single shred of evidence that IRAQ had anything to do with Bin Laden, yet we saw our chance to go in and destroy....
EVERYONE VOTE FOR KUCINICH!!
We need to get our troops out, and get Bush out before Armegeddon happens...If not we are all fucked, and there will only be about 10 more years of life on earth, i guarantee it... |
|
|
|
PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2003 : 3:14:09 PM
|
Katchoo, I agree. I realize no one is perfect but hey, lets face it, politicians get away with a hell of a lot that we regualar folks don't. BTW, I am registered republican but only because that is what I registered as many, many years ago and if I change it to what I really am, libertarian, I won't be able to vote in our primary elections. I want to at least get a chance to voice my opinion on local politicians in the primary. I am no fan of Bush either. I am not a fan of most of the politicians out there.
I guesss the service thing just bothered me because my son, and many of you, are of the age where if the draft is reinstated, could be drafted. I also had brothers-in-law who were sent to Vietnam, like thousands of men, who didn't have the political pull to get out of it. I guess as long as it is someone elses brother,sister or son, or daughter most people don't care. I would love to know how quickly Bush would have invaded Iraq if his two daughters were going to be on the front lines?
I don't think Jessica Lynch was to blame for the stories that got out about her. I think she was pretty daring to speak up and say she didn't do all the things that the administration said she did. I have the greatest respect for our service men and woman. My father, husband and brother-in-laws were all in the service. |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
|
|
|
dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2003 : 5:38:55 PM
|
10 years, huh? how do you know that this will end the world? you don't. forgive me if i seem annoyed at it, but i hear it all the time and everyone acts like they know something. no one knows anything. every source you get information from is trying to sway you to their side, i don't care if you read new york times or the progressive, any mainstream or alternative press is doing nothing more than advertising their point of view. the only difference between alternative and mainstream press is spin. if you really want the most information you can get, read both, not just the one you agree with. no has enough accurate information to have an opinion on this war. i don't have an opinion about it. i cringe for the citizens and i respect the soldiers. that's all anyone can do.
here's the real problem with clinton. looking back on this whole gary condit/cassandra levy thing, i think we can come to one mutual conclusion. bill clinton should have killed monica lewinski. but no. good old bill said, "nah. i'll let her live, so she can tell people and have the media wreak havoc on the face of my political career." if bill killed monica, she would have never told, and no one would have expected the president. he would have gotten off scott free. |
death to false metal. |
|
|
|
dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2003 : 5:42:03 PM
|
| another thing, now that i'm shitting on everyone, no one should complain about politicians. i think george carlin had a point when he said that politicians come from the american public. they come from american schools, churches, businesses and homes. this is the best we can do. politcians are a product of our system and until we change it, we are to blame. |
death to false metal. |
|
|
|
Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2003 : 7:43:04 PM
|
| I am definitely not a fan of Bill Clinton, and I'm not a big fan of George Bush either. I will say that I like Bush more than I like Clinton though. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
cbenc41@hotmail.com |
|
|
|
Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 2:42:08 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
every source you get information from is trying to sway you to their side, i don't care if you read new york times or the progressive, any mainstream or alternative press is doing nothing more than advertising their point of view. the only difference between alternative and mainstream press is spin. if you really want the most information you can get, read both, not just the one you agree with. no has enough accurate information to have an opinion on this war. i don't have an opinion about it. i cringe for the citizens and i respect the soldiers. that's all anyone can do.
Well I agree about the press as far as them trying to pull you to one side. That's why I think for myself. I try to listen to what both sides have to say (although usually there are more than 2 sides). I think though that with the press you have to look at their motives. Sometimes they might be unclear but I think you could easily tell that mainstream press was for this war. That's what everyone should do is think for themselves. However I think that I have enough information to form an opinion. I know I don't know it all and I take that into consideration but all you can do is try to find out the most that you can and do your best.
You might want to read Bush in Babylon though because I think it's pretty clear and straight foward.
Anyway to sum it up I am against the war completely because I know that the US was lying and their full of shit. Just the fact that in this war to stop terrorism (or liberate the Iraqi people depending on which day of the week it is) they went into a country who was supposedly trying to get nuclear weapons and then we invade and don't even protect the nuclear reactors that the so called terrorists could use tells you somethings wrong. I've read quite extensively on the war and in my opinion it was wrong. Just because I don't know everything doesn't mean I'm entitled to my opinion. |
 |
|
|
|
Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 2:43:21 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Arthen
I am definitely not a fan of Bill Clinton, and I'm not a big fan of George Bush either. I will say that I like Bush more than I like Clinton though.
The two evils. Which one is the lesser though? |
|
|
|
|
Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 3:16:38 PM
|
| Well, in my opinion I'd say Bush. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
cbenc41@hotmail.com |
|
|
|
rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
1916 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 3:25:35 PM
|
I totally agree about everything you read will be opinionated. Just like Photoshop is better then Fireworks, or Madden football is better then NFL 2k. Its what you do that you'll like better. My dog is better then yours, and so on...
lol
I like to gather information form both sides and make my conclusion. The Facts I stated about Bush are just that Facts, that is why I am against him. the world last 10 years may be harsh, but from my day to day life I encounter an abnormal amount of idiots, and I don;t see it ending. I think televsion is the may reason on why we are all screwed up..
lol
TV is the terrosist...and oprah |
|
|
|
dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 4:23:40 PM
|
oprah should executed. no mercy for her.
but tv is not the problem. tv is merely a relfection of what we've become. people who like it do so because they don't have any shame, and people who don't like it hate it because they see everything that hate in themselves in it. what's happening now is that the tv that reflects us is influencing young ones. if you want to change your relfection, you have to change yourself. |
death to false metal. |
|
|
|
Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 4:24:18 PM
|
Bush was AWOL from the Coast Guard....
He was also arrested on drunk driving charges....where he fled the scene of the crime...
...can't forget the whole stealing the election thing*...(too many coincidences)
...and he sent men and women to their deaths, and they're still dying, to a war that had very little to do with our national security.*
I know who evil is.
*obviously in dispute |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
|
|
|
dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 5:33:10 PM
|
the men and women going over go over because they are loyal to the country enough to defend it with their lives against a threat, whether real or made up.
what would you die for? |
death to false metal. |
|
|
|
Uncle Meat
Try A Little Harder
56 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 5:44:23 PM
|
Thank you, PJK for creating this post.
|
"Have you ever tried saying: 'Mike and Frank?'" |
|
|
|
Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 6:31:09 PM
|
I'm glad you put "still in dispute" when talking about "the stolen election". I don't remember Bush going in with a group of armed men stealing it. They finished doing the count in Florida and it all came back for Bush. He didn't win the popular vote, but that isn't what decides the election. If it did there would never be any campaigning in the midwest or other smaller states.
So I for one, do not believe he "stole the election". |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
cbenc41@hotmail.com |
|
|
|
dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2003 : 8:59:41 PM
|
| this is why old people shouldn't vote. or do anything. it's all old people in florida. that's the problem. |
death to false metal. |
|
|
|
Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 01:22:22 AM
|
| Don't forget about the old people in California. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
cbenc41@hotmail.com |
|
|
|
Katchoo
Try A Little Harder
USA
65 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 12:16:30 PM
|
No doubt PJK, I hear you on all sides. I have way too many friends and loved ones that got suckered into this neverending military system to pay for college and are now caught up. We are so fortunate that my cousin returned from Iraq in time for the holidays. It was a really bittersweet reunion for my family and his wife and kids, because we know that he will be thrown back into the fire at the first opportunity.
And I hate to come off all generation x cynical about our government and our elected officials, but there is a hard edged reality to being involved in politics on that level. Remember how quickly Clinton's hair turned grey after getting into office? That was his outward manifestation of the level of stress and difficult decision-making that being the president entails. There are compromises that have to be made. Anything short of that risks becoming a dictatorship, not a democracy.
Honestly, we have to completely overthrow this government. Those in power right now are changing the system of government and the Constitution of the United States to fit their needs and values. We have to do the same.
I am concerned about the next election. So my personal solution and form of protest is to become a deputy registrar and register and inform as many people as possible about being registered to vote for this election. I have personally seen too many people turned away at the polls, and we can't risk that this year.
So be on the look out for me at a Rock the Vote booth in your area sometime soon. : )
K. |
|
|
|
Katchoo
Try A Little Harder
USA
65 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 12:37:11 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Arthen
I'm glad you put "still in dispute" when talking about "the stolen election". I don't remember Bush going in with a group of armed men stealing it. They finished doing the count in Florida and it all came back for Bush. He didn't win the popular vote, but that isn't what decides the election. If it did there would never be any campaigning in the midwest or other smaller states.
So I for one, do not believe he "stole the election".
Ohhh! Okay...time to insert this link. Didn't know if you all had already seen this..blew my mind.
http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html
|
|
|
|
Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 2:13:37 PM
|
| As opposed to Democrats who tried to prevent the count of Military absentee ballots. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
cbenc41@hotmail.com |
|
|
|
Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 4:30:53 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
the men and women going over go over because they are loyal to the country enough to defend it with their lives against a threat, whether real or made up.
what would you die for?
I see your point, but just because they willingly enlist, it doesn't mean their deaths should be a non-issue.
I'm going to die eventually, right now my life is better utilized making music than making other people die. |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
|
|
|
dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2003 : 8:49:04 PM
|
i'm not saying it's a non issue, i'm saying it is their choice. and as such it is not be gainsaid by others. that was why i asked you what you would die for. consider that, and then think how you would feel if someone told you it was a waste.
and because it was their choice, i find it misleading to say bush sent them to their deaths. it's not like he rounded everyone up and sent them to the gas chambers. |
death to false metal. |
|
|
|
Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2003 : 1:31:07 PM
|
True, the term "sent them to their deaths" is very spun. But as Commander and Cheif, he is responsible for the lives of men and women in the military. If it is found that the reasons to fight this fight were completely unfounded, then he in essence sent them to their deaths.
Just because it may be hard to say someone died for nothing, that does not make it false. At the same time, I'm not sure if that's an accurate statement. Although I did not support this war, I pretty much knew it was going to happen no matter what. It was carried out recklessly and those who died and are still dying are victims of it. We sent in a powerfull force, and then called it off too early in an effort to lower the already astronomical cost and appease the naysayers back home and around the globe.
When those soldiers signed up, they put trust in their superiors that they would be fighting a just fight if they had to, and that their government would give them the support they needed to fight it. I think this administration let them down big time.
Sorry if this is kind of stream of consiouness, I just woke up from a long night. |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
Past Politics, The Clinton Years
