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Macht
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 Posted - 06/20/2004 : 7:13:39 PM
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Not only are they enjoyable, but once you can play a song, everyone loves you :P.
I recently played Stream and Kundalini Bonfire and some wierd song I made up on stage with a wah in front of a group of like 50 people.
My Stream lasted like 6 minutes, my Kundalini lasted 10 minutes and the wierd song was about 10 minutes.
Only wished I had a recording for you guys to listen to |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2004 : 11:10:20 PM
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| ...wish i could have played in front of that crowd no one ever cares when i play tim songs |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 12:39:33 AM
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guitarted
Chatterbox
Canada
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 10:27:51 AM
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I find that true with anything I play
I don't gig, but whenever I have a guitar noone can ever pay attention for a full song EVEN IF THEY REQUESTED IT
and if you try and play some Tim, they just wan to hear stuff they know
people saying "play time of your life" "play wonderwall"
GRR
what an awful set list
1/4 of stream followed by some green day played until noone is listening anymore and most of wonderwall until you get frustrated and put the guitar away
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2004 : 3:18:18 PM
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A lot of people in the "general music listening public" do not like instrumental music. I find the typical music listener needs something catchy, and usually something they can "sing along to" which isn't really possible with instrumentals. Think about it, have you ever seen an instrumental artist on MTV? Sadly, MTV's listeners/watchers are the general music listening public. When they're not preoccupied by T&A, and rock hard tasty abs washerboard style, they want something catchy they can sing along to in their car...offkey.
I find that only guitar players and players of other instruments really appreciate instrumental music, especially that of a genious like Tim Reynolds. The casual music listener would not know how technically challenging a song like Stream is to play, and would honestly probably find it quite boring.
When I play out, I cover a lot of Dave Matthews, David Gray, John Prine, etc... as well as a few instrumentals, Stream, There Is No Judgment, etc... It seems that "This next one is an instrumental" usually means "Time for you all to take a piss".
I guess it's just the nature of the beast.
Adam
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Muskrat
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 06/21/2004 : 4:11:20 PM
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I find that true with anything I play
I don't gig, but whenever I have a guitar noone can ever pay attention for a full song EVEN IF THEY REQUESTED IT
and if you try and play some Tim, they just wan to hear stuff they know
people saying "play time of your life" "play wonderwall"
GRR
what an awful set list
1/4 of stream followed by some green day played until noone is listening anymore and most of wonderwall until you get frustrated and put the guitar away
AMEN, I know EXACTLY how you feel. What I hate is when people request songs, and I'm more than happy to oblige, but then they try to talk to you and ask questions like "what's the name of so and so's song?" while you're in the middle of singing... "frustrated" is an understatement |
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dan p.
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Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2004 : 4:28:37 PM
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| it's the damnedest thing, because i write and play only instrumental music. i stopped playing out last summer because there would be about 20 people listening and enjoying, and about 100 talking and waiting for a band after me that sounds exactly like dave matthews minus all the talent and originality. more often than not, i get people saying to me "my parents really like your cd/show last week." sadly, no one's followed it up with "and now i'm going to run head first through that window." but i'm a patient man. |
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guitarted
Chatterbox
Canada
487 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2004 : 9:59:59 PM
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Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
A lot of people in the "general music listening public" do not like instrumental music. I find the typical music listener needs something catchy, and usually something they can "sing along to" which isn't really possible with instrumentals.
EXACTLY. I realized this a while ago. Personally I prefer music without words
I like music that doesn't tell me what to think. When there's just instrumental, the lyrics are your thoughts and your thoughts follow the music's mood and how you feel.
I always feel much more relaxed when i listen to music without vocals as well. Everything flows so much better when you don't have "THONG THONG THONG THONG" or whatever blasting at you. |
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Macht
Chatterbox
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2004 : 11:51:59 PM
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People just don't appreciate good music these days...:P
Anyways, my Dad is becoming the newest fan of Tim Reynolds.
He was listening to him today and said he loved it, I might bring him to a concert |
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Jay
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Vatican City
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 12:11:32 AM
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I personally don't have a prefrence for instrumental or vocal music...It all depends on the mood I'm in. I love a good set of lyrics, but instruemntal music seems to seep a little deeper sometimes...Ever notice how good Gossip of the Neurons is when you are really tired and pissed off? For me at least, it's like a sponge in a bathtub, I just soak the whole thing up...
As for playing, I'm all instrumental because I can't sing worth a rat's ass in China. |
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Arthen
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USA
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 02:59:46 AM
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I freaking love Gossip of the Neurons. That has to be my favorite album. Those versions of Big Blast and Kundalini are perfect for anger.
My buddy and I try to mix in a few instrumentals with our lyrical material. We'll see how it goes. I'll tell you one thing for certain though, you'll never, ever catch us covering any DMB song. I don't want to get shoved into that category. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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guitarted
Chatterbox
Canada
487 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2004 : 09:03:10 AM
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I listened to Gossip of the Neurons on the plane to England a couple months ago and it was great to listen to and just stare out the window into the clouds.
I recommend you fly somewhere just to try this |
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2004 : 09:23:56 AM
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Unfortunately, you really have to play to your crowd. For an established act, like Tim, who has his own fan base(us), he can play an all instrumental set, and those of us that are into that will love it, and be attentive the whole night. For someone like me, or some other people on this board, who are just playing out in their local area, and haven't quite got the album sales racked up yet, you have to play to your crowd to gain their acceptance, and THEN start branching out and playing what YOU want to play.
When I was first getting into gigging, I would play a lot of open mics, doing stuff I wanted to do. I would play A LOT of originals, and a few obscure covers. One owner of a bar I played at came up and we were talking about playing to the crowd. He was telling me about some local artist around here, that has a big following. He knew him when he was younger and just starting "he used to always play stuff he wasn't into, just to get the crowds into him. Now he could get up there and play 'I fucked your mom sideways and upsidedown' and everyone would still love him"
I guess in a way its like paying your dues early on in order to be able to do what you want later.
If the crowd I'm in front of is college age, or just downright preppit, I'll bust out the DMB peppered setlist. If it's an older, working class, flannel shirt crowd, you're going to hear me doing lots of John Prine, "Old Man" by Neil Young, or "Dead Flowers" by the Stones.
Knowing the crowd is the first big step in getting people into your music. You have to get their attention before they'll listen to what YOU want to play.
The whole idea really kind of sucks, but sadly it's true.
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guitarted
Chatterbox
Canada
487 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2004 : 11:27:22 AM
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GuitarGuy305 is right.
It's a lot like any job. Climbing the corporate ladder involves kissing some ass along the way and doing shit you don't enjoy.
The crowd is like the boss. Just keep pleasing the boss until you're their boss. After that, tell your former boss 'I fucked your mom sideways and upsidedown'. |
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Macht
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 11:45:35 AM
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Originally posted by guitarted
The crowd is like the boss. Just keep pleasing the boss until you're their boss. After that, tell your former boss 'I fucked your mom sideways and upsidedown'.
The most single/funniest/truest thing ever |
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Arthen
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USA
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Posted - 06/22/2004 : 12:05:37 PM
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But if your material can stand on it's own, you don't always have to play to the crowd. If your material is good, eventually it will attract people and you won't have to use DMB to suck them in.
I mean, Tim never played to his audience, he played to himself and they came. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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guitarted
Chatterbox
Canada
487 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 09:11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Arthen
But if your material can stand on it's own, you don't always have to play to the crowd. If your material is good, eventually it will attract people and you won't have to use DMB to suck them in.
I mean, Tim never played to his audience, he played to himself and they came.
This is true. You always pick up catchy songs in your head from people who you don't know who the heck they are.
Also, if someone is going to a show by someone they don't know, they are probably at least somewhat open minded
How the crowd sways to YORU music probably varies from crowd to crowd. Even my friends will sometyimes request different songs like mad one day and then just let me do whatever another |
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