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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
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 Posted - 04/22/2007 : 12:20:28 AM
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Ok, let's say that a liberal (democrat, indipendant, whatever) was elected president, and the house and senate still are controlled by democrats.
What do you think will happen to Bush after he leaves office?
Me? I think he'd get tons of death threats, and probably leave the country for another land somewhere, and will still be screwing everything up. I bet he will also decline interviews, and will never back down from his view point in the clouds. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 04/22/2007 : 12:27:14 AM
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| it's hard to say. a lot of presidents stay active in american politics, and i don't see any reason why bush would do differently. i also don't think he'd get death threats. the people who oppose him the most are usually not big on violence. |
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2007 : 1:35:58 PM
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He'll go live on his ranch like a rich man. Then he'll live out his days and die in comfort. Now if there was justice he'd be tried as a war criminal, but I doubt anything will come of it.
I'll tell you what's not going to happen after he leaves office. The war in Iraq isn't going to end. Well unless we elected someone who wanted it to end, but all the candidates with money behind them support the war. |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2007 : 04:09:39 AM
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Originally posted by Ranting Thespian
I think he'd get tons of death threats, and probably leave the country for another land somewhere, and will still be screwing everything up. I bet he will also decline interviews, and will never back down from his view point in the clouds.
I disagree about the death threats. What's the point of killing a former president? It seems kind of moot to me.
I'm with Infant Eyes... he'll go back to Texas. He's already looking at building a "George W. Bush Presidential Library" somewhere in TX so he'll have that to keep him busy... |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2007 : 03:21:23 AM
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| I am actualy surprised that no one has even tried to kill him yet. I am not saying I want that to happen, but he has made so many people mad, irritated, and hate him with a passion. I do hate him with a passion, but I am not violent, and it's kind of hard to kill someone when you are a pacifist. I mean, Regan got shot, JFK, Bobby Kennedy, MLK Jr., and all of them had more respect than Bush. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2007 : 12:27:07 PM
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Especially because he was elected in a zero year, the curse of Tecumseh/Tippecanoe surely should have struck.
Regan narrowly escaped it, so maybe he broke the whole thing:
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 04/24/2007 : 3:29:30 PM
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The democrats are pro war. The elections are controlled. Hilary will win against Guiliani. And After her re-election, Jeb Bush or George P. Bush will run and win presidency.
Nothing will happen. They are all controlled by the same thing, the big banks. Those who control the money control the future. The only way to actually have anything positive is to abolish the federal reserve, the World Bank and the IMF.
They make it seem like you have a choice but it's coke or pepsi, they'll both kill you.
Not to mention, think about all of the high up people in politics that aren't on tv and that you don't know their name.
Unless every rich white person who is involved in politics in this country was thrown in jail (98% have committed some crime to get where they are) then maybe we'd have a chance of saving our country.
The only thing to do is fight back, raise a family, enjoy life, creation, music and art and educate yourself and don't be ignorant, racist, or blind to the horrible injustices that happen around you daily.
There is no way to destroy the prison planet that has been erected around us and go back to normal. From chaos comes clarity, and it will be a while before things get so bad, that we finally go back to clarity. This my friends, is just the beginning of injustice. We have a long way to go. Just wait until you are all microchipped. You can;t run and hide then, and most likely, you will be sold into actually wanting one, and those who do no get it are "criminals", "crazy", or "conspiracy nuts". Those who do get the chip will be "patriotic".
WAR IS PEACE
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 04/24/2007 : 7:51:28 PM
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do. . .do you get these from somewhere? sometimes you sound just like the people you rail against, speaking in rhetoric instead of honesty.
i agree to an extent, though. i mean, i don't really see much of an important difference between democrats and republicans. but i have to say, i don't see hilary clinton being president. america is still too sexist to seriously elect a woman, or have one put in office without their consent, as the case may be. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 03:13:28 AM
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Rubylith, do you even sleep at night? It's starting to seem that you are saying everything is against everyone, and everyone is fucked, let's keel over already, just don't try.
I refuse to believe that. Things can change. The only way things can change is when we stand up for what we believe in, not whine and keel over. If we just didn't try at all, we then up eventualy in Nazi Germany, no freedom. I just have one thing to say
You may say I'm a dreamer,
But I'm not the only one,
I hope someday you will join us,
And the world will live as one . . . |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 8:18:49 PM
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Originally posted by rubylith
There is no way to destroy the prison planet that has been erected around us and go back to normal.
Is this prison planet you speak of something like The Matrix? |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 8:20:26 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
do. . .do you get these from somewhere?
I don't know about the rest of it, but the last three lines came from 1984... |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 01:17:36 AM
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| Those lines are from 1984, but as history says that the book didn't turn out to be true. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
USA
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 6:03:01 PM
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| The book was originally titled 1948 but they wouldn't publish it under that title so he changed the name to 1984 and everyone thought it was great fiction. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 7:10:59 PM
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It was written in 1947 and published in 48 and he switched the numebrs around.
I am hopefully that one day things will change and there won't be anymore wars and cameras video taping my every move, and elections that aren't controlled by electronic voting machines.
I honestly think if John Lennon wasn't murdered, we would be in a much different situation right now.
Anyway I am a scattered person. I am disgusted by the way things are going in this country, and it is depressing.
I hate how people think that the democrats want to get out of Iraq, it is not the case (excluding Kucinich). They are all controlled, it is all theatre. It's frightening.
Just got to live your life, love your friends and family, listen to music, and fight tyranny when you have to. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2007 : 02:03:32 AM
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Originally posted by rubylith
. . . I honestly think if John Lennon wasn't murdered, we would be in a much different situation right now . . .
. . . I hate how people think that the democrats want to get out of Iraq, it is not the case (excluding Kucinich). They are all controlled, it is all theatre. It's frightening . . .
I have to say that if John was alive, I'd doubt if Bush senior would have been elected. I know we'd be in a different place if he, Gahndi, MLK Jr, and even Robert Kennedy were alive.
Also, I don't believe in someone just because they are democrats. There are some democrats that want the war, I admit that, but there are some who truely don't. I will always vote for Russ Feingold. I know him, and he lives in my town, and he listens to us here in WI. I will never vote blindly, but he has never given me any reason to not vote for him. There are more like that, and not just democrats, but other liberals, and some who "call" themselves republicans or conservatives. There are some that are controled, but there are also those who listen to the people (Feingold and Kucinich are two good examples) and do what's right. They are the ones who we need to talk to, and make the House, the Whitehouse, and the Supreme Court do the right thing. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 01:40:31 AM
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I have to disagree about the MLK, Ghandi, Kennedy thing. Firstly Robert Kennedy who some say had really changed his ways before he was killed was not anyone I would respect as some sort of champion of human rights or anything close.
Next MLK was a socialist and in the last year before he died he really began to speak out against the government on issues outside of the racial issues he is always pigeon holed as. If he would have continued to speak out he would have either been killed later or he would have had a large campaign to destroy his credibility unleashed on him.
Next Ghandi would be so old that he couldn't do anything about anything. He would hunger strike and people would be fine with letting him die because it would be time.
The main point is that I see no reason for anyone to look for some sort of celebrity figure to change the world. If Lennon was around that would be great, but it would have done little to change people. Just because our society has a fascination with leaders and celebrities they in fact have much less to do with movements for social change than most give them credit for. It's the people as a whole that organize that create change, and not the guy someone dubs a leader. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 02:15:59 AM
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yes, but your assertion implies that there is some entity known as "the people." and "the people" do not exist. the goals, agendas, demands and wants of the population are too varied to unify "the people" meaningfully for very long on a given issue. the best you can get from them is a protest march, and no one takes that seriously anymore. also, most of "the people" are not rich, smart, or charismatic enough to affect the same change a smaller group, or even a single person will.
the reason we need a mlk or a john lennon is because not a lot of people are as good as them in what they do. people at large need someone who is smart and charismatic to make their opinions noted by people who control things. they need that person because they can't do it themselves. also, it's simple human need to have a face to attach something to. for instance, people bash bush for everything. but how often do you hear talk about the old congress? not nearly as much. thats because it's easier to put it on one person instead of blaming a large body of people, or a vague concept. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 02:47:29 AM
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Well, I was going to post something, but Dan fucking got to it before me. But I'd like to say that you said that MLK would be shot at a later date . . . that defeats the thought, doesn't it? Tell me how could he be alive if he was shot and died . . . that part made no sense.
Also, I don't think Robbert Kennedy changed like that. That's all speculation.
Also, John Lennon had the ability to get us to finnaly stand up for what we believe in. He would be able to take this confused world, where no one knows what the fuck is going on truely, and make us find it, and see it. He was one who risked everything he had for his thoughts, ideas, and relating to us. Watch the US Vs John Lennon, you'll see what he risked. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 1:03:04 PM
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What I was suggesting about Robert was that he was not even close to being the peacenik or human rights champion everyone claims he was. He did however by many accounts change later on in his life, and become the person many think of him having been all along.
Dan if there's no entity of people then who is responsible for ending segregation? Who made that change come about by peacefully disobeying the law at the time? It sure as hell wasn't the Kennedy's as they were doing everything in there power to not have to even enforce the law, and you can look at Zinn's writing's about Albany for an intro to that. Ya it wasn't everyone or even close. If you study this or any movement you will see that it existed long before they had any numbers of people do much about anything. Like in the case of Rosa Parks. She was not the first to resist segregation and she didn't just get up and decide not to go to the back of the bus that day. She had been a member and an organizer in human rights groups for years.
Every big movement that we take so much pride in, like racial and sexual equality started as small organized movements of ordinary people. Social movements that we're talking about didn't become great because of the leaders being great but rather the leaders became great because the people who were the movements were great. I just don't like the mentality that we need a Ghandi or a Lennon or a MLK for things to be different. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 3:13:34 PM
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segregation wasn't ended by "the people." it was ended by a relatively small portion of people. and either way, issues now, such as the war or corrupt government, or whatever it is thespian is talking about, are not confined by race or gender. as such, i think they require a larger amount of people, simply because these problems affect a larger amount of people. and large amounts of people, what you might call "the people" will inevitably splinter. smaller groups in the past made great changes because the desired changes were in the interest of that small group. the bigger the group, the more varied the interests, the less likely they'll remain unified. also, at the risk of sounding crass, that was then. this is now.
i do agree with you about leaders, though. mlk didn't just go, "ok i'm the leader of this now." leaders of movements are made by the movement. that beings said, i think the lack of a definitive leader for any specific cause not defined by race or gender is indictative of a lack of a unified group to produce that leader. |
death to false metal. |
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 3:31:56 PM
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I see what you mean, but what else would I call them other than the people? I obviously don't mean the people as a whole, but rather I'm talking about organized citizens.
I was just thinking though that since only like half the country votes and you only need roughly 51% of the vote to win districts or states, then a relatively small amount of people could fire the current government in six years. Don't vote or vote third party or at least way outside the mainstream.
Oh and watch for Obama to start talking about all options on the table in Iran this next week or how he'll bomb them. |
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 3:34:00 PM
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| Ooh and one more thing we'll probably wait to invade Iran till after the 08 elections at which point the people will be more susceptible to the propaganda as more trust in government will be restored. Then we can have a bi-partisan war that our grandchildren will have to fight. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 3:48:11 PM
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as much as i like violence, i wouldn't be too thrilled with a war with iran.
i don't know what you would call them. instead of "the people" let's call them "some people." that's splitting hairs too much even for me, though. but if it's true that a small amount of people could bring about big changes that affect all people, why would you need a leader for the sake of unification? you'd need one to be the public face and spokesperson, but small groups can stay together without a celebrity. |
death to false metal. |
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 9:08:37 PM
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Well that's kind of my point. It's nice to be able to have such strong voices in a movement or organization, but why do we need leaders? If we can create small groups and organize in small groups it makes organizing in large groups so much easier. All it takes is one group contacting another and so forth.
I'm sure leaders will step forward or preferably pushed forward, but it's up to some people (works for me I guess) to do whatever it is that's trying to be done.
It's kind of like how no one goes into a house and says "Hey nice foundation". They'll usually complement the carpet or the color of the wall or something, but what really makes the house possible is the foundation. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2007 : 02:32:01 AM
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| Do you have something against my house's foundation? |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2007 : 2:16:18 PM
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| man, fuck your house's foundation. look at it. it's uneven, unsound, unsightly. psh. |
death to false metal. |
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 8:23:51 PM
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Originally posted by Ranting Thespian
Do you have something against my house's foundation?
Not with your foundation, but your roof insists that it's holding the walls and foundation down, and not that they're holding it up. I don't know what to do about it though. |
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