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Jason
Chatterbox
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 Posted - 04/20/2002 : 11:58:20 AM
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I am very into these types of things especially the pyramids and who built them (masons) What if any are you guys opinions or what have you heard about them?
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Captain Petersburgh
Yak Addict
Canada
779 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2002 : 3:03:28 PM
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prety cool but it think pretzels are just abig mirage.
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2002 : 3:25:21 PM
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Masonic guild-every prez except JFK has been a member.... 
"People always tell you to color inside the lines, [but] who drew the lines in the first place? [Think about that.]" -Victor Wooten |
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Captain Petersburgh
Yak Addict
Canada
779 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2002 : 3:28:14 PM
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is that true???
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2002 : 3:31:20 PM
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I dunno, my sociology professor told me...
"People always tell you to color inside the lines, [but] who drew the lines in the first place? [Think about that.]" -Victor Wooten |
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Captain Petersburgh
Yak Addict
Canada
779 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2002 : 3:41:54 PM
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oh.
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2002 : 8:28:41 PM
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I love conspiracies! My friend had this book on the assassination of JFK because he had to do a report on it, and I asked if I could borrow it just to look at it. Very interesting stuff. They showed pics of the "secret" undercarriage of Air Foecr One that appeared only after he was killed. The man with the umbrella. Blaming Lee Harvey Oswald when it was physically impossible for him to run down the stairs without being out of breath. The possibility of multiple shooters. I can go on. I learned even more when I took a Vietnam class senior year. It definitelty seems feasible that he was killed because he was going to extract our troops and end the war.
Speaking of which, have any of you even seen that X-files episode where it shows that the smoking man killed JFK and Martin Luther King? That was one of the best episodes ever.
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2002 : 03:39:58 AM
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"Who keep the aliens under wraps? WE DO!!"
It was never the masons, it has always been the stonecutters!!
You guys should really check out a book called "The Big Book of Conspiracies" if you like this kind of stuff. It is just chalk full of kewl conspiracies and neato stuff like that. I have always been a big fan of that stuff. But I bet you could tell that from alot of my posts. HEHE
Peace & Keep the Faith
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
2128 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2002 : 2:49:11 PM
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pyramids eh...i read some book on mayans and their science/religion. The theory of that book was that they had the technology of levitation and teleporation, and that's how they moved the blocks for the pyramids around. i t aslo said that they were here long before the egyptians used them as tombs, and that the tips of the pyramids were some sort of beacon or antennae. Some cool shit there...
Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Captain Petersburgh
Yak Addict
Canada
779 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2002 : 2:56:00 PM
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levetation? u mean like floatin'?
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
2128 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2002 : 3:02:09 PM
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yeah man, like they picked up the stones with their mental powers and floated them into a pyramid. DAmn cool, if that's how they did it.
Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2002 : 7:15:08 PM
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Conspiracy theorys, questions that we will never know the answers too:
The disappearance of My Bad Side after hitting 666
Who killed JFK?
Did OJ kill Nicole?(oh wait, I think we know the answer to that)
Who killed Jon Benet Ramsey?(Woops,guess we know that one too)
What happened to Jimmy Hoffa?
Who killed Martin Luther King?
Who kidnapped the Lindbergh baby?
Who built the pyramids and why?
Where is Atlantis?
Why are there rascists in the world?
Why is there WAR? What is it good for?(absolutely nothing,say it again)
Is Elvis still alive?
Why do men fall asleep after sex?
Why do women take so long to get ready to go?
Have we really been to the moon?
What really happened at Roswell?
Do we already have flying saucer technology?
Did the Alien Autopsy really happen?
Will the X-Files ever be solved?
Who is the smoking man?
Why does he smoke?
Who is the Zodiac Killer and is he alive or dead?
Who or what was Spring Heeled Jack?
Will pcbdmb ever get off the short bus?
Are there faeries, elves and leprechauns?
Who lets Steve Guttenburg make movies and WHY?
Why do we watch "Dude, Where's My Car" and laugh?
Why do we have to wait so long for LOTR and Star Wars sequels?
Will Jason from Friday the 13th ever die!?
Why do Jay's fish keep dying?
What is your quest?
What is your favorite color?
What is the air speed velocity of an african swallow?
WHY did LizK's bikini top fall off?
Why does Fluffy love Cheese & macaroni?
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
How do they get those boats in those bottles?
When will the apocalypse happen?
Why is my sister so hung up on spelling?
Will Capt P ever learn to spell?
Who was Jack the Ripper?
Who was D.B. Cooper?
Why are my pants SO tight?
What is KYLE's deal?
and WHY does he always have a different car & name?
Why does Katie date Kyle?(or whatever his name is)
Who killed Kurt Cobain? Was it Murder or Suicide?
Why does TOOL rock so hard?
Who really won the Nov 2000 presidential election?
Do we live in the real world or "The Matrix"?
Was there a plot to assassinate Fidel Castro?
Will this list ever end?
Is it time for dinner?
Do you think it will rain?
What state is "SPRINGFIELD" really in?
Will Silky ever go legit?
Did Hitler survive WWII?
Was there a holocaust?(Of course there was, stupid question!)
Where is AREA 51? and WHY won't Tericee tell us where it is?
Who was the "Green River Killer"?
Did John Dillinger really die on July 22, 1934 outside the Biograph?
Where did I put my car keys?
Will Jay ever lay off the weed?
Is there a Loch Ness monster?
Is there a Bigfoot?
Is there a Yetti?
Do vampires and werewolves really exist?
Why does Xar prefer the dead?
Why did he/she break-up with me?
What happened to Amelia Earhart?
Where is the Arc of the Covenant & the 10 Commandments?
Did Noahs Ark really exist?
What happened to the Mayan civilization?
Is there really a Bermuda Triangle?
Do we believe in Nostradamus and his prophecies?
Will Black Lotus ever stop thinking about BALLS?
Does the Shroud of Turin really exist or is it a hoax?
What is the deal with Spontaneous Human Combustion?
Crop Circles?
What really happened with The Tunguska Explosion?
Who killed Bambi?
Who's the Weakest Link?
Why do we cry like a baby at "Ole Yeller"?
Why is one of my feet bigger than the other?
Why doesn't Eura have an album of her own?
Will the FTP site ever be up and running?
Where does TR acquire his ability?
Will TR ever play in(insert your town here)?
Will Tim & Dave ever tour again?
Why do Tim & Dave hate each other?
Is Dave gonna be at the show?
What is the song in the Flash Intro?
Which will it be plumbing equipment or controlling cheese?
Why can't Jon Soldo post those DAMN tour pictures?
Why do I have a headache?
Where is the advil?
What the hell am I doing?
Why is Fluffy such an asshole?
Who are you?
Why are you reading this?
Do I know you?
What's new pussycat?
Peace & Keep the Faith
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2002 : 04:08:03 AM
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The disappearance of My Bad Side after hitting 666
Who killed JFK? Smoking Man
Did OJ kill Nicole?(oh wait, I think we know the answer to that)
Who killed Jon Benet Ramsey?(Woops,guess we know that one too)
What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Who?
Who killed Martin Luther King? Smoking Man
Who kidnapped the Lindbergh baby? flushed down the toilet (Family Guy episode)
Who built the pyramids and why? Alien Dung Beetles (X-files episode)
Where is Atlantis? In the video store under Disney
Why are there rascists in the world? Becuase people confuse hate with fear
Why is there WAR? What is it good for?(absolutely nothing,say it again) humans are naturally destructive. Easy way to get people to see your side.
Is Elvis still alive? No.
Why do men fall asleep after sex? Because it takes work
Why do women take so long to get ready to go? Insecure
Have we really been to the moon? Yes
What really happened at Roswell? I don't know. I think I'll go find a book on it.
Do we already have flying saucer technology? I doubt it.
Did the Alien Autopsy really happen? see above.
Will the X-Files ever be solved? Yes. Last season.
Who is the smoking man? man who killed JFK and MLK
Why does he smoke? nicotine
Who is the Zodiac Killer and is he alive or dead? who?
Who or what was Spring Heeled Jack? What?
Will pcbdmb ever get off the short bus? I did for a short TIMe
Are there faeries, elves and leprechauns? no.
Who lets Steve Guttenburg make movies and WHY? Idiots because they're idiots.
Why do we watch "Dude, Where's My Car" and laugh? never saw it.
Why do we have to wait so long for LOTR and Star Wars sequels? Marketing.
Will Jason from Friday the 13th ever die!? Appartently not. Look out for his new sequel "Jason eats a sandwich"
Why do Jay's fish keep dying? Doesn't feed them
What is your quest? to be happy
What is your favorite color? GREEN
What is the air speed velocity of an african swallow? during the day or at night?
WHY did LizK's bikini top fall off? Because she's teasing us
Why does Fluffy love Cheese & macaroni? Why wouldn't you?
Which came first the chicken or the egg? chicken
How do they get those boats in those bottles? little hand tools
When will the apocalypse happen? it won't. Sun will burn up first
Why is my sister so hung up on spelling? she's part of a dying breed.
Will Capt P ever learn to spell? not bloody likely
Who was Jack the Ripper? if I remeber correctly, he was a mass murderer during the industrial revolution
Who was D.B. Cooper? who?
Why are my pants SO tight? because they're too small
What is KYLE's deal? who?
and WHY does he always have a different car & name? avoiding the government
Why does Katie date Kyle?(or whatever his name is) I'm lost
Who killed Kurt Cobain? Was it Murder or Suicide? I always thought it was suicide
Why does TOOL rock so hard? can't answer, haven't heard them
Who really won the Nov 2000 presidential election? who cares. they both suck.
Do we live in the real world or "The Matrix"? real world. matrix was just a movie.
Was there a plot to assassinate Fidel Castro? probably many
Will this list ever end? yep
Is it time for dinner? not for me
Do you think it will rain? not here for a while
What state is "SPRINGFIELD" really in? pass
Will Silky ever go legit? only if his restaraunt business idea falls through
Did Hitler survive WWII? no
Was there a holocaust?(Of course there was, stupid question!)
Where is AREA 51? and WHY won't Tericee tell us where it is? next to Area 51-A
Who was the "Green River Killer"? who?
Did John Dillinger really die on July 22, 1934 outside the Biograph? He died?!?! NOOOOO!!!
Where did I put my car keys? check the ignition
Will Jay ever lay off the weed? no way
Is there a Loch Ness monster? no. Tourist attraction
Is there a Bigfoot? no.
Is there a Yetti? no.
Do vampires and werewolves really exist? no.
Why does Xar prefer the dead? never gets rejected
Why did he/she break-up with me? because
What happened to Amelia Earhart? died on island
Where is the Arc of the Covenant & the 10 Commandments? ask Idiana
Did Noahs Ark really exist? maybe
What happened to the Mayan civilization? disappeared like all the other civilizations
Is there really a Bermuda Triangle? yes. But "does it cause natural phenomenon?" is the real question
Do we believe in Nostradamus and his prophecies? can't place the name
Will Black Lotus ever stop thinking about BALLS? haha! unlikely
Does the Shroud of Turin really exist or is it a hoax? After seeing that History Channel special.....I don't know
What is the deal with Spontaneous Human Combustion? doesn't exist
Crop Circles? country people having some fun
What really happened with The Tunguska Explosion? what?
Who killed Bambi? hunter
Who's the Weakest Link? I refuse to answer this question as it is a stupid show
Why do we cry like a baby at "Ole Yeller"? I didn't
Why is one of my feet bigger than the other? because you banged it on the coffee table
Why doesn't Eura have an album of her own? too little
Will the FTP site ever be up and running? yes
Where does TR acquire his ability? alien powers
Will TR ever play in(insert your town here)? L.A.?.....YES!
Will Tim & Dave ever tour again? I hope not because the fans would be absolutely terrible
Why do Tim & Dave hate each other? they don'y
Is Dave gonna be at the show? no
What is the song in the Flash Intro? Big Blast of Hot Air
Which will it be plumbing equipment or controlling cheese? Controlling cheese
Why can't Jon Soldo post those DAMN tour pictures? too busy
Why do I have a headache? slept too much
Where is the advil? try the upper cabinet
What the hell am I doing? wasting TIMe
Why is Fluffy such an asshole? since when?
Who are you? Patrick a.k.a. pcbdmb a.k.a. Calvin
Why are you reading this? wasting TIMe
Do I know you? yep
What's new pussycat? I'm almost done with school!!!!!!
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2002 : 04:09:49 AM
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oh and by the way Fluffy.....all those questions that I answered who? to, you can explain if you want. I'm always up for learning new things.
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2002 : 06:53:04 AM
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Who do you think you are, GOD? Nobody is supposed to be able to answer these questions. They are mysteries of the universe. Big pat on the back for trying. Sad to say I don't think the X-files hold all the answers. Some of the real answers might be scarier.
AS requested, here are links to the ones you didn't know about, and a few I just thought you gave great answers to. Let me know which ones fascinate you and peak your interest. I have studied alot of this stuff for many years.
What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Who?
http://www.geocities.com/peteargiro/hoffa.html
Have we really been to the moon? Yes
http://www.geocities.com/satansrealchild/conspiracy.html
What really happened at Roswell? I don't know. I think I'll go find a book on it.
http://www.crystalinks.com/roswell.html
Do we already have flying saucer technology? I doubt it.
http://members.tripod.com/~lyne4lyne/
Who is the Zodiac Killer and is he alive or dead? who?
http://www.spartechsoftware.com/dimensions/crime/Zodiac.htm
Who or what was Spring Heeled Jack? What?
http://www.spartechsoftware.com/dimensions/crime/SpringHeeledJack.htm
Why do we watch "Dude, Where's My Car" and laugh? never saw it.
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0242423
Will Jason from Friday the 13th ever die!? Appartently not. Look out for his new sequel "Jason eats a sandwich" Actually it is Jason in outer space! I saw the commercial the other day, looks like Friday the 13th meets Aliens
http://www.upcomingmovies.com/jasonx.html
What is your favorite color? GREEN WRONG WRONG WRONG PURPLE
No matter what you say, your favorite color is PURPLE! Repeat after me, PURPLE
WHY did LizK's bikini top fall off? Because she's teasing us
GREAT ANSWER, I laughed my ass off!!
Why does Fluffy love Cheese & macaroni? Why wouldn't you?
You little brown noser, wanna come over for some Cheese and Macaroni?
Which came first the chicken or the egg? chicken PROVE IT!!!!
Who was Jack the Ripper? if I remeber correctly, he was a mass murderer during the industrial revolution
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2992/JacktheRipper/JACKMAIN.html
http://www.casebook.org/
Who was D.B. Cooper? who?
http://www.who2.com/dbcooper.html
What is KYLE's deal? who?
and WHY does he always have a different car & name? avoiding the government
Why does Katie date Kyle?(or whatever his name is) I'm lost
Kyle is TR's archivist, you can find a link to him on the Contact page of TimReynolds.com He now calls himself Mason and everytime we see him he has a different car, no lie! We think he might be a car thief. We are not sure, but we like him anyway. What we don't understand is how a goofball like Kyle/Mason gets a girl like Katie. What a wonderful girl. I think there are pictures of both of them on the website somewhere. Kyle also changes screennames more than he changes underwear. He changes underwear everyday. Catch my drift. He is a hard person to keep up with. He only has a cell phone(very suspicious in my mind) and no home phone HMMMMMMMM
Who killed Kurt Cobain? Was it Murder or Suicide? I always thought it was suicide
http://labyrinth13.crimespider.com/Cobain.htm
Why does TOOL rock so hard? can't answer, haven't heard them
You can sample many songs here:
http://www.cdnow.com/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/discography.html/ArtistID=TOOL/from=sr-27190-1
What state is "SPRINGFIELD" really in? pass
Come on, we went over this in the other post!!
Did Hitler survive WWII? no
http://www.apbonline.com/media/gfiles/hitler/
Keep in mind, William Lyne, from the above link to Pentagon Aliens and flying saucer technology claims to have met Hitler in Dallas in the 60s. Read Lynes book, it is awesome. TR turned me on to it, he highly recommends it.
Who was the "Green River Killer"? who?
http://www.spartechsoftware.com/dimensions/crime/GreenRiverKiller.htm
Did John Dillinger really die on July 22, 1934 outside the Biograph? He died?!?! NOOOOO!!!
http://www.spartechsoftware.com/dimensions/crime/JohnDillenger.htm
Why does Xar prefer the dead? never gets rejected
FUNNIEST ANSWER and probably true!!!
Why did he/she break-up with me? because
Yea, thats about the answer you can expect when someone breaks up with you. There is always there never fail answer, "It's not you, it's me!" Don't make me gag!
Is there really a Bermuda Triangle? yes. But "does it cause natural phenomenon?" is the real question
Very intelligent answer, just the way I would have answered it. It crossed my mind as I wrote the question that YES there is a Bermuda Triangle, BUT does it have mysterious powers. It got to complex to really write the answer the way I wanted so i settled for what you see before you.
Do we believe in Nostradamus and his prophecies? can't place the name
http://www.spartechsoftware.com/dimensions/mystical/Nostradamus.htm
Does the Shroud of Turin really exist or is it a hoax? After seeing that History Channel special.....I don't know
This answer cracked me up as well. I thought you were supposed to learn stuff from the History Channel. The way you worded it was classic. Another poor soul confused by television. To quote Zappa: "I am the slime oozing out of your TV set"
What really happened with The Tunguska Explosion? what?
http://www.spartechsoftware.com/dimensions/earth/Tunguska.htm
Again, William Lyne also talks about his theories on this one in his book. He believes Tesla was involved. You are saying "WHO?" here ya go:
http://www.neuronet.pitt.edu/~bogdan/tesla/
Nikola Tesla was a genius far ahead of his time. Lyne believes that Tesla discovered the secret to flying saucers and the US govt stole the technology from him to prevent him from marketing it and putting major corporations out of business. See how it is all tied together. Pretty scary stuff when you start looking into all of it. It is all interrelated.
Who's the Weakest Link? I refuse to answer this question as it is a stupid show
Sounds like you might be taking the 5th on this one for fear of incriminating yourself!
Why do we cry like a baby at "Ole Yeller"? I didn't
LIAR LIAR pants are on FIRE!!
Flaming pcbdmb!!!
Will the FTP site ever be up and running? yes
DREAM ON!!!
Why is Fluffy such an asshole? since when?
Stop kissing my ass ya brown noser! I am the biggest asshole in the world, ask anyone!
Who are you? Patrick a.k.a. pcbdmb a.k.a. Calvin
ARE YOU SURE? I think it could be a cover and you may be the Smoking Man given your NARC-like tendencies.
What's new pussycat? I'm almost done with school!!!!!!
Congratulations on school and for the providing me with some amusing answers. I really didn't expect anyone to answer them. What a nice surprise.
As for Secret Societies as mention in the topic heading, here are some links to some of the scariest. The Illuminatti being the worst of the bunch. But again they are all interrelated to some degree and that makes them even scarier. Enjoy the links!
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/nworder02.html
http://www.sntp.net/education/sutton_1.htm
http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm
http://www.bilderberg.org/2000.htm
http://server1.buildfreedom.com/ft/secret_societies.htm
Dig deep, you may be shocked at what you find!
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2002 : 10:54:04 AM
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It is just chalk full of kewl conspiracies and neato stuff like that.
Spelling check. I think it's "chock full."
teri 
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
2128 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2002 : 1:27:24 PM
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The disappearance of My Bad Side after hitting 666 he's satan
Who killed JFK? CIA
Did OJ kill Nicole?(oh wait, I think we know the answer to that)
Who killed Jon Benet Ramsey?(Woops,guess we know that one too)
What happened to Jimmy Hoffa?
Who killed Martin Luther King? Government
Who kidnapped the Lindbergh baby? Psycokiller dude
Who built the pyramids and why? mayans, for communication(like cell phone towers)
Where is Atlantis? mediterrainean sea
Why are there rascists in the world? because there is still ignorance there too
Why is there WAR? What is it good for?(absolutely nothing,say it again) ignorance, good for nothing
Is Elvis still alive? nope, he's long dead
Why do men fall asleep after sex? tired i guess
Why do women take so long to get ready to go? god only knows..
Have we really been to the moon? i think so, but not in 1969
What really happened at Roswell? aliens, def!
Do we already have flying saucer technology? sure, why not
Did the Alien Autopsy really happen? nahh
Will the X-Files ever be solved? nope
Who is the smoking man? some guy with cancer?
Why does he smoke? can't help it i guess
Who is the Zodiac Killer and is he alive or dead? no idea there
Who or what was Spring Heeled Jack? no idea again
Will pcbdmb ever get off the short bus? lol, who knows
Are there faeries, elves and leprechauns? yes, always will be always were, there's just not that many of them anymore
Who lets Steve Guttenburg make movies and WHY? hahahaha
Why do we watch "Dude, Where's My Car" and laugh? because we're stoned off our ass watching it
Why do we have to wait so long for LOTR and Star Wars sequels? money
Will Jason from Friday the 13th ever die!? he's dead, just a zombie that's all
Why do Jay's fish keep dying? cause they overdosed
What is your quest? to seek the grail
What is your favorite color? blue
What is the air speed velocity of an african swallow? with or without a coconut?
WHY did LizK's bikini top fall off? hehehe
Why does Fluffy love Cheese & macaroni? cause it's the godfood
Which came first the chicken or the egg? both
How do they get those boats in those bottles? faeres help them
When will the apocalypse happen? 2013, according to some native american book i read
Why is my sister so hung up on spelling? hmm...
Will Capt P ever learn to spell? hm...
Who was Jack the Ripper? a killer(obvious there)
Who was D.B. Cooper? who?
Why are my pants SO tight? hahahah
What is KYLE's deal? harhar
and WHY does he always have a different car & name? haha
Why does Katie date Kyle?(or whatever his name is) don't know
Who killed Kurt Cobain? Was it Murder or Suicide? that bitch of singer courtney love, she killed him, i know she did!
Why does TOOL rock so hard? cause they rock
Who really won the Nov 2000 presidential election? nader
Do we live in the real world or "The Matrix"? real world
Was there a plot to assassinate Fidel Castro? always is one i bet
Will this list ever end? nope
Is it time for dinner? nope
Do you think it will rain? nope
What state is "SPRINGFIELD" really in? illinois i think
Will Silky ever go legit? nope
Did Hitler survive WWII? nope
Was there a holocaust?(Of course there was, stupid question!)
Where is AREA 51? and WHY won't Tericee tell us where it is? yeah, hehe
Who was the "Green River Killer"? no idea
Did John Dillinger really die on July 22, 1934 outside the Biograph? yes
Where did I put my car keys? under the sofa
Will Jay ever lay off the weed? nope, never
Is there a Loch Ness monster? yes, a dinosaur
Is there a Bigfoot? yes, a big ape man
Is there a Yetti? another ape man
Do vampires and werewolves really exist? nahhh
Why does Xar prefer the dead? cause he's undead
Why did he/she break-up with me? cause they needed to move on in life
What happened to Amelia Earhart? i don't know
Where is the Arc of the Covenant & the 10 Commandments? probably dust by now
Did Noahs Ark really exist? oh yeah it did
What happened to the Mayan civilization? white people happened
Is there really a Bermuda Triangle? yeah, a strong magnetic pull
Do we believe in Nostradamus and his prophecies? always, he can read the future, like a book
Will Black Lotus ever stop thinking about BALLS? hahaha
Does the Shroud of Turin really exist or is it a hoax? no idea
What is the deal with Spontaneous Human Combustion? people burn, shit who knows
Crop Circles? farmers
What really happened with The Tunguska Explosion? huh?
Who killed Bambi? some drunken hick
Who's the Weakest Link? me,. me!!
Why do we cry like a baby at "Ole Yeller"? never seen it actually
Why is one of my feet bigger than the other? mutant
Why doesn't Eura have an album of her own? huh?
Will the FTP site ever be up and running? some day, in a far off distant land
Where does TR acquire his ability? aliens
Will TR ever play in(insert your town here)? c-ville, probably so
Will Tim & Dave ever tour again? nahh
Why do Tim & Dave hate each other? they don't, i don't think so
Is Dave gonna be at the show? maybe so
What is the song in the Flash Intro? i can't remember!!!
Which will it be plumbing equipment or controlling cheese? the first one
Why can't Jon Soldo post those DAMN tour pictures? shit, don't know
Why do I have a headache? cause it hurts
Where is the advil? in the kitchen countertop
What the hell am I doing? jerkin' off(lol)
Why is Fluffy such an asshole? nahh
Who are you? God
Why are you reading this? no life...
Do I know you? yeah i think so, a little bit
What's new pussycat? not too much
Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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pcbTIM
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Posted - 04/22/2002 : 7:33:56 PM
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Thanks for the info Fluffy! I really liked that Zodiac killer one. Also, do you know another site for that Hitler one? Because it sounds interesting, but the link doesn't work.
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Which came first the chicken or the egg? chicken PROVE IT!!!!
Well......some people here won't believe me, but since God created all the animals, he created the chicken. And just like Adam, he made it whole first (Adam wasn't a fetus first).
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What is your favorite color? GREEN WRONG WRONG WRONG PURPLE
No matter what you say, your favorite color is PURPLE! Repeat after me, PURPLE
NO! That's your favorite color. Not mine.
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Why does Fluffy love Cheese & macaroni? Why wouldn't you?
You little brown noser, wanna come over for some Cheese and Macaroni?
I'd love to!
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What state is "SPRINGFIELD" really in? pass
Come on, we went over this in the other post!!
That's exactly why I passed!
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Does the Shroud of Turin really exist or is it a hoax? After seeing that History Channel special.....I don't know
This answer cracked me up as well. I thought you were supposed to learn stuff from the History Channel. The way you worded it was classic. Another poor soul confused by television. To quote Zappa: "I am the slime oozing out of your TV set"
I did learn a lot actually, but the chemistry information they gave in that special was very controversial. I mean, how could a person in 30 A.D. make a negative on a piece of cloth?
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Why do we cry like a baby at "Ole Yeller"? I didn't
LIAR LIAR pants are on FIRE!!
Flaming pcbdmb!!!
It's true!!! I swear. I was like 14, and I didn't cry. But it was sad. Poor imaginary dog.
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Who are you? Patrick a.k.a. pcbdmb a.k.a. Calvin
ARE YOU SURE? I think it could be a cover and you may be the Smoking Man given your NARC-like tendencies.
a.k.a. Narc
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Fluffy
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 09:59:47 AM
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Hey VWF, some of the ones you didn't know about I have already supplied links about for pcbdmb. You can check them out if you are interested in delving deeper. As for your request pcbdmb, I found 2 more really good ones. The first one covers many theorys interwoven into one conspiracy, the second is pretty much one theory. The second represents a theory I saw on the Discovery Channel about russian evidence that hitler was not dead. They mention the russian evidence in the first one as well. Enjoy the read and let me know what you think. You may be able to dismiss some of it as the rantings of a madman, but can you really say hooey to all of it? Which so much evidence something has to be right.
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega18.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/deathofhitler.htm
I have also included another link to some of the prophecies of Nostradamus. Here they give you his quotes and some possible interpretations. See what you think.
http://nostradamus.factpad.com/interp3.htm
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victorwootenfan
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 12:14:53 PM
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man thanks for those links. Nostradamus is the stuff i get into, it's soo weird hearing all his prophecies come true, thru interpretations and such. With the hitler one, shit who knows there? But i bet he's a dead man now, although that would suck to be him, living in the shadows for the rest of his life, where everyone in the world wants to stick a pinapple up his ass(little nicky) Kinda similar to ben laden ain't it...
Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Silky The Pimp
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 3:27:18 PM
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I've always found the idea of Nostradamus being a prophet to be mind-numbingly stupid. The man made so many "prophecies" that a few are bound to come true every once in a while. I guarantee if you made a "prediction" for every day for the next 10 years, some of them would happen out of sheer coincidence... let alone if you span that out over hundreds of years. It's like if someone told you to guess the number that they're thinking... 1-10, and you guess all the even numbers, there's a good chance you're right. The odds are in his favor that some things are just going to happen if he predicts enough stuff. Not to mention the ambiguity of half the shit he said... you could apply it to anything. It's like a horoscope. I know some of them aren't quite as open to wide interpetation as others, but I still just don't buy it.
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victorwootenfan
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 9:19:58 PM
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yeah, i don't think he was a prophet or anything. i think he somehow read the future in some way or another, cause a few of his predictions are really pretty on, but shit, maybe it's just a big hoax, like the one about 9-11, and the towers falling. Someone made a big hoax out of something he said. shit, who knows...
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pcbTIM
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 9:27:17 PM
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Those articles were pretty kewl Fluffy. Seems strange that no body was found in his bunker. I just thought it was common knowledge that he commited suicide.
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victorwootenfan
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 9:51:17 PM
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this is so weird, cause my history teacher was talking abuot that today in class, how there was like a shitload of witnesses to it, and he(hiler) burned his body beyond recognition, so all these nuts think he's still out there. His words, not mine...
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Fluffy
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Posted - 05/02/2002 : 7:58:38 PM
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pcbdmb said:quote:
I just thought it was common knowledge that he commited suicide.
Well guys, this is just the kind of stuff I am always talking about. How many things are we taught that we just take for granted? There is alot of disinformation out there and the more you read and learn the more you can make your own decisions and opinions on things. Never take all this(I shudder to say)propaganda that is spoon-fed to us daily at face value. Look deeper, investigate. Question Authority. They want us to believe what the tell us. It is easier for them that way. They can get away with alot more if we rely on them for information. Something else that is worthy of note is the choice of words that are used when talking about a particular subject. Sometimes our perceptions can be colored just by the use of certain words with will give us a certain impression. One example of this is the constant use of the word "DRUG" to describe pot. From an early age we are taught that drugs are BAD. So as we grow up when we hear the word DRUG we immediately have a subconscious impression of Pot as BAD. It has to be, they called it a DRUG. I actually believe that if thru our entire lives Pot had always been referred to as a PLANT it would not have so much of a negative connotation associated to it. It is the kind of thing where it is so subtle you barely even notice it. The press is really good at "towing the company line" on this kind of way. The subtle use of words can really color our perception of things so we must always be vigilant to examine what is told to us and to think about it for ourselves lest we be swayed into believing what they want us to believe. Now I will step off my soapbox!!
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Silky The Pimp
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Posted - 05/02/2002 : 8:43:09 PM
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Kinda funny that pot is considered a drug, yet alcohol is not...
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victorwootenfan
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Posted - 05/02/2002 : 9:13:35 PM
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that's why pot's not legal too, is that all these people have false and negative concecptions about this "gateway(bullshit)" drug. no one has ever died from pot, no one has ever started a fight because they were high, pot mellows people out more, and is a lot better than alcohol. Shit, i'm so entirely for legalizing marijuana!
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powdrdogdmb
Chatterbox
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Posted - 05/02/2002 : 10:01:42 PM
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Another theory on the reason supporting Hitler's suicide and self burning beyong recongnition is that he was said to have a psychological syndrome directly related - Silky will love this one - to his being monorchid; look that term up everyone if you don't already know it (it's too funny to put the other way), and the real reason he burned himself was that he had a complex over this issue and didn't want anyone to find out the truth about his condition. Ohh, and legalize it... It works very well in Holland.
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Silky The Pimp
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Posted - 05/02/2002 : 10:55:22 PM
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Hehe I didn't know he suffered from that... uh... "condition" ...
What I do know is that his family tree didn't fork, so that doesn't surprise me at all. If that is, in fact, why he burned himself, I believe the term is "body dismorphic disorder." That is some very funny stuff though!
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Fluffy
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Posted - 05/03/2002 : 06:33:02 AM
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Main Entry: mon·or·chid
Pronunciation: mä-'nor-k&d
Function: noun
Etymology: irregular from Greek monorchis, from mon- + orchis testicle —more at ORCHIS
Date: 1874
: an individual who has only one testis or only one descended into the scrotum
- monorchid adjective
- mon·or·chi·dism /-k&-"di-z&m/ noun
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Fluffy
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Posted - 05/03/2002 : 06:44:14 AM
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Hey dirtysloth, your position perfectly illustrates my belief that life more than other drugs lead people down the road of harder drugs. Depression and similar feeling are more an indicator of a life fraught with drugs and alcohol(another very SERIOUS DRUG). Smoking pot does not make you try other drugs. I have never had a friend who said "Well now I have smoked pot, I think I will try something harder", but I have had many friends with personal problems, family problems, school problems and life problems and I think these factors contribute much more to their drug usage than the fact that they have already smoked pot. The govt keeps the public at large in a haze of propaganda against pot when with a little research it is not hard to find study after study(even studies conducted by the govt that condemns it)showing that both cigarettes and alcohol are far more detrimental to health than marijuana. Harry Anslinger did the most for creating the hysteria and fear that surrounds marijuana to this day. A large segment of the population go with the info they hear in the news and in the press. If they dug just a little deeper they could see the misinformation that has been fed them. The govt is scared of legalization for a number of reasons. Plus if they were to ever finally legalize it, it would mean they would have to admit that everything they said up until now has been bunk. It would create doubt in alot of peoples minds. They have to be thinking to themselves, "If we admit this it will make the voting public distrust us on everything we say." They do not want the public to start doubting them. That is bad for business. I am rambling again. I can recommend books if you are interested in learning more on the subject.
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Silky The Pimp
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Posted - 05/03/2002 : 10:41:31 AM
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I dunno... I think the public's trust in politician's has long been absent. But I'll definitely say... I've seen people high, and I've seen people drunk. Drunk people are far more dangerous.
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victorwootenfan
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Posted - 05/03/2002 : 12:16:36 PM
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i second that, i'm scared of some people when they are drunk, but anyone high off of marijuana, i'd rather talk with them, get a good laugh out of it. damn government regulators!
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victorwootenfan
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Posted - 05/03/2002 : 10:15:19 PM
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i see what you're saying patrick. like it can in a way open your mind to more possibilties that are there, but you never thought aboot. Like instead of seeing the day to day obvious in a situation, it can let you see everything that's there, in a bigger picture of things. i think i follow you, if not i'm the dumbass then...
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Fluffy
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Posted - 05/04/2002 : 08:21:39 AM
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I see your point and agree, but I don't ever want to eat a grilled cheese sandwich soaked in urine. I am really glad you added the "depending on the person" at the end. I think this is something that more people need to understand. Drugs affect people differently, what is good for one person may be really really bad for another. I have lost lots of friends to herion, yet I still had one friend who did it semi-regularly(once every couple of months) because he loved the feeling it gave him. I am by no means advocating the use of herion, I think it is an evil drug and VERY dangerous, but I have witnessed one person who could do it and not become addicted. To each his own, all I am saying is that things affect people differently. I think the approach you have to drugs is a big determining factor in the outcome an individual might have. There are lots of other factors as well. It is a complex issue and definitely a subject that should not be taken lightly. I believe education is one of the partial answers to "winning the war on drugs", to use the words of the powers that be. People need to know about them and what they do, long-term effects, so on and so forth. We need to lift the veil of mystery and I believe that will take away alot of the allure they hold for woodbe experimenters. I don't believe it will solve the problem, but it would definitely help. Not everyone should do drugs. Some people have predispositions to addiction and certainly everyone cannot handle certain drugs. I think it is really bad to lump them all into one big category. It is much easier for the govt to wage their anti-drug campaign against the whole menace than actually sitting down and examining each drug and its effects and dangers. It is easier for them to just say "DRUGS ARE BAD!!!" Anyway, I am starting to ramble again, so I will jump down off my soapbox and finish by saying I agree with alot of what you said. I would love to sit down and discuss the issue in person sometime, this infernal box makes it so hard to feel like I have conveyed my point very well. So everyone, BE SAFE!!!
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Fluffy
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Posted - 05/06/2002 : 08:05:22 AM
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Yep that is exactly how it went down in DC. Will this country ever learn? I still suggest reading "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" and I have just started reading a great book called "Reefer Madness", the history of Hemp/Marijuana and the things that led to its current demise. I will let you know what I think when I finish it.
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victorwootenfan
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Posted - 05/06/2002 : 12:22:21 PM
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that surprises me about your friend that uses heroin but isn't addicted. I had no idea that it was possible! but i say best of luck to him, and keep the usage in moderation(as all things should be) but man, that's impressive to a degree that he's doin' so well.
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enthuTIMsiast
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Posted - 05/06/2002 : 8:41:28 PM
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I didn't know you could choose when to use heroin either. I thought once it had you, that was it.
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NeverKillADream
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Posted - 05/07/2002 : 7:29:10 PM
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I study all that, alot... Egypt, Coral Castle, Dermal Ridges, bigfoot, Synchronicity, The JFK LINCOLN connection theory, and so on, if there's a imparticular area you like name it and we'll tear it up and break it down....lol.
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Fluffy
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Posted - 05/21/2002 : 08:34:19 AM
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Coral Castle? I am afraid I am not familiar. Care to enlighten?
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Fluffy
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Posted - 05/21/2002 : 8:38:59 PM
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Thanx DS, do you have anymore info NEKAD? Rew and I are interested in learning more. Neither one of us have heard of it and that really surprised us. Sounds very kewl though. Maybe a little like the Winchester Mystery House in San Jose CA.
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KevinLesko
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Posted - 05/26/2002 : 4:44:10 PM
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Fluffy, I'd like to read a book about conspiricies once summer starts. What is the top one that you reccomend?
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genome
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Posted - 05/26/2002 : 5:16:48 PM
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I have SOOO heard of the Coral Castle. Memories are vague, but I'm certain what you said is right. Lots of rocks placed so precicely (while weighing TONS) that they can tell very accurate time (via the sun) and other things that are amazing. What's even more amazing is that apparently the guys that's purported to have built this place decided he'd like it better somewhere else (I believe about 10 miles away, actually) and he MOVED the WHOLE THING, stone by stone, until it is in it's present location. It's amazing, really. Maybe I'll see if I can find anything on the net about it.
OOH, and it was either TLC or Discovery I saw it on, so I'm guessing it's true.
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genome
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Posted - 05/26/2002 : 5:23:18 PM
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The Coral Castle
That should tell you whatever you want to know.
Damn, I'm good.
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Fluffy
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Posted - 06/17/2002 : 8:43:15 PM
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Thanx Genome, that place sounds really kewl. I love a good mystery. Comparing it to Stonehenge and Easter Island really got my interest up. Reading the biography really helped to sell me on it as well. What an interesting, mysterious man. Hope I get a chance to check it out someday or at least see the special on TV. The website certainly piqued my interest.
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Fleabass76
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Posted - 06/18/2002 : 6:56:53 PM
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Per Fluffy's request, this is a link to information about the Earth's Resonance and it's effect on life.
http://home.gwi.net/~erichard/
I found out about this stuff from a band here in the Twin Cities called 13 Hertz, they rock pretty hard by the way.
www.13hertz.com
"Women and rhythm section first."
Mr. Jaco Pastorius
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Fluffy
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Posted - 06/18/2002 : 7:38:24 PM
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The meaning of "13 Hertz"
13 Hertz is the potential resonance of the Earth's core after the
Earth's next pole shift. Gregg Braden (Author of "Awakening to Zero Point") has theorized that there is a great potential for a pole shift since the Earth's resonance, which has held steady at around 7 Hz for the last 1000 years or so, is now rising while its magnetic field is decreasing. According to the Fibinacci scale, the next logical resonance for the Earth to hold is 13 hertz.
There is a hope that if the Earth's electrical resonance rises, our internal frequency will also rise, and with that, our consciousness.
This is all very interesting. I am going to investigate further. I wonder if Planet X and its possible effects on the earth could be to cause a pole shift. Must find out more. Thanx Fleabass for the introduction. I will post anymore info I find on the subject here. I wonder if these are at all related to the Lines that TR told me about that inspired "Stream". There is an old post about that I think, I will see if I can find it. SYNCHRONICITY? We will see.
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Fluffy
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 04:12:08 AM
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Had it wrong. It was Leelines that TR talked about. Seems they are actually Ley Lines. Maybe he took artistic license. Anyway, for info on the origin of LeeLines, go to:
http://www.timreynolds.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=181
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KevinLesko
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 5:36:27 PM
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Another one that I found quite interesting was Bob Marley's death, My roommate is a big fan and about 2 years ago I remember him telling me that he doesnt believe the whole death from his foot thing at all. I forget the details, but I'll ask him to tell me the story again so I can post it.
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Fluffy
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 9:17:20 PM
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Strangely, this story reminds me alot of the John Lennon story I was posting in another thread. I probably should have used this as my example as it covers the govts covert operations against musicians who speak out against the establishment and the HEMP issue I am so fond of. I almost mentioned it at the TIMe. Here it is now at Kevins behest.
CHANTING DOWN BABYLON
The CIA & the Death of Bob Marley
Story by Alex Constantine.
Did a soccer accident really cause Bob Marley’s death, as has been widely reported? Or was the dark hand of CIA covert operations behind the death of the greatest countercultural prophet of our time?
Marley knew the drill–in Jamaica, at the height of his success, when music and politics were still one, before the fog of censorship rolled into the island, old wounds were opened by a wave of destabilization politics. Stories appeared in the local, regional and international press downsizing the achievements of the quasi-socialist Jamaican government under Prime Minister Michael Manley. In the late 1970s, the island was flooded with cheap guns, heroin, cocaine, right-wing propaganda, death-squad rule and, as Grenada’s Prime Minister Maurice Bishop described it three years later, the CIA’s "pernicious attempts [to] wreck the economy."
"Destabilization," Bishop told the emergent New Jewel Party, "is the name given the most recently developed method of controlling and exploiting the lives and resources of a country and its people by a bigger and more powerful country through bullying, intimidation and violence."
In response to the fascistic machinations of the CIA, Marley wove his lyrics into a revolutionary crucifix to ward off the cloak-and-dagger "vampires" descending upon the island. June 1976: Then-Governor-General Florizel Glasspole placed Jamaica under martial law to stanch the bloody pre-election violence. Prime Minister Manley’s People’s National Party asked the Wailers to play at the Smile Jamaica concert in December. Despite the rising political mayhem, Marley agreed to perform.
In late November, a death squad slipped beneath the gates at Marley’s home on Hope Road in Kingston. As biographer Timothy White tells it, at about 9 PM, "the torpor of the quiet tropical night was interrupted by a queer noise that was not quite like a firecracker." Marley was in the kitchen at the rear of the house eating a grapefruit when he heard the bursts of automatic gunfire. Don Taylor, Marley’s manager, had been talking to the musician when the bullets ripped through the back of his legs. The men were "peppering the house with a barrage of rifle and pistol fire, shattering windows and splintering plaster and woodwork on the first floor." Rita Marley, trying to escape with her children and a reporter from the Jamaica Daily News, was shot by one of the men in the front yard. The bullet caught her in the head, lifting her off her feet as it burrowed between scalp and skull.
Meanwhile, a man with an automatic rifle had burst through the back door off the pantry, pushing past a fleeing Seeco Patterson, the Wailers’ percussionist, to aim beyond Don Taylor at Bob Marley. The gunman got off eight shots. One bullet struck a counter, another buried itself in the ceiling, and five tore into Taylor. He fell but remained conscious, with four bullets in his legs and one buried at the base of his spine. The last shot creased Marley’s breast below his heart and drilled deep into his arm.
The survival of the reggae singer and his entire entourage appeared to be the work of Rasta. "The firepower these guys apparently brought with them was immense," Wailers publicist Jeff Walker recalls. "There were bullet holes everywhere. In the kitchen, the bathroom, the living room, floors, ceilings, doorways and outside."
There has since been widespread belief that the CIA arranged the hit on Hope Road. Neville Garrick, a Marley insider and former art director of the Jamaica Daily News, had film of "suspicious characters" lurking near the house before the assassination attempt. The day of the shooting, he had snapped some photos of Marley standing beside a Volkswagen in a pool of mango-tree shade. The strangers in the background made Marley nervous; he told Garrick that they appeared to be "scouting" the property. In the prints, however, their features were too blurred by shadow to make out. After the concert, Garrick took the photographs and prints to Nassau. Sadly, while the Wailers and crew prepared to board a flight to London, he discovered that the film had been stolen.
Many of the CIA’s files on Bob Marley remain classified to the present day. However, on December 5, 1976, a week after the assault on Hope Road, the Wailers appeared at the Smile Jamaica fest, despite their wounds, to perform one long, defiant anthem of rage directed at the CIA–"War"–suggesting the Wailers’ own attitude toward the "vampires" from Langley:
Until the ignoble and unhappy regimes
That now hold our brothers
In Angola, in Mozambique,
South Africa
In subhuman bondage
Have been toppled,
Utterly destroyed,
Everywhere is war…
Only a handful of Marley’s most trusted comrades knew of the band’s whereabouts before the festival. Yet a member of the film crew, or so he claimed–reportedly, he didn’t have a camera–managed to talk his way past machete-bearing Rastas to enter the Hope Road encampment: one Carl Colby, son of the late CIA director William Colby.
While the band prepared for the concert, a gift was delivered, according to a witness at the enclave–a new pair of boots for Bob Marley. Former Los Angeles cinematographer Lee Lew-Lee (his camera work can be seen in the Oscar-winning documentary The Panama Deception) was close friends with members of the Wailers, and he believes that Marley’s cancer can be traced to the boots: "He put his foot in and said, ‘Ow!’ A friend got in there… he said, ‘let’s [get] in the boot, and he pulled a length of copper wire out–it was embedded in the boot."
Had the wire been treated chemically with a carcinogenic toxin? The appearance of Colby at Marley’s compound was certainly provocative. (And so was Colby’s subsequent part in the fall of another black cultural icon, O.J. Simpson, nearly 20 years later. At Simpson’s preliminary hearing in 1995, Colby–who resided next door to Nicole Simpson on Gretna Green Way in Brentwood, a mile from her residence on Bundy–and his wife both took the stand to testify for the prosecution that Nicole’s ex-husband had badgered and threatened her. Colby’s testimony was instrumental in the formal charge of murder filed against Simpson and the nationally televised fiasco known as the "Trial of the Century.")
Seventeen years after the Hope Road assault, Don Taylor published a memoir, Marley and Me, in which he alleges that a "senior CIA agent" had been planted among the crew as part of the plan to "assassinate" Marley. It’s possible that this lapse in security allowed Colby entrance to the compound. It’s clear that the CIA wanted Marley out of the picture. After the assassination attempt, a rumor circulated that the CIA was going to finish Marley off. The source of the rumor was the agency itself. The Wailers had set out on a world tour, and CIA agents informed Marley that should he return to Jamaica before the election, he would be murdered.
Taylor and others close to Marley suspect that it was more than a threat. Lew-Lee recalls: "I didn’t think so at the time, but I’ve always had my suspicions because Marley later broke his toe playing soccer, and when the bone wouldn’t mend the doctors found that the toe had cancer. The cancer metastasized throughout his body, but [Marley] believed he could fight this thing."
British researcher Michael Conally observes: "They certainly had reasons for wanting to. For one, Marley’s highly charged message music made him an important figure that the rest of the world was beginning to notice. It was an influence that was hard to ignore, least of all because everywhere you went you saw middle- and upper-class white people sprouting dreadlocks, smoking spliffs and adopting the Rastafarian lifestyle. This sort of thing didn’t sit well with traditionalists and authoritarian types."
The soccer game took place in Paris in 1977, five months after the boot incident. Marley took to the field with one of the leading teams in the country to break the monotony of the Wailers’ "Exodus" tour. His right toe was injured in a tackle. The toenail came off. At first, it wasn’t considered a serious wound.
But it would not heal. Marley was limping by July and consulted a physician, who was shocked by the toe’s appearance. It was so eaten away that doctors in London advised it be amputated. Marley’s religion forbade it: "Rasta no abide amputation," he insisted. He told the physician, "De living God, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I, Ras Tafari, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah… He will heal me wit’ de meditations of me ganja chalice." No scalpel, he said, "will crease me flesh…. C’yant kill Rasta. Rastamon live out."
He flew to Miami and Dr. William Bacon performed a skin graft on the lesion. The disease lingered undiagnosed and spread throughout his body.
Isaac Fergusson, a friend and devotee, observed the slow death of Bob Marley firsthand. In the three years separating soccer injury from cancer diagnosis, Marley remained immersed in music, "ignoring the advice of doctors and close associates that he stop and obtain a thorough medical examination." He refused to give up recording and touring long enough to consult a doctor. Marley "would have to quit the stage and it would take years to recoup the momentum. This was his time and he seized upon it. Whenever he went into the studio to record, he did enough for two albums. Marley would drink his fish tea, eat his rice-and-peas stew, roll himself about six spliffs and go to work. With incredible energy and determination, he kept strumming his guitar, maybe 12 hours, sometimes till daybreak." Reggae artist Jimmy Cliff observed after Marley’s death: "What I know now is that Bob finished all he had to do on this earth." Marley was aware by 1977 that he was dying, and set out to condense a lifetime of music into the few years remaining.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/021030/7/2k5lk.html
THE (POSSIBLE) ASSASSINATION OF PAUL WELLSTONE
Tue Oct 29,10:04 PM ET
By Ted Rall
George W. Bush's Legacy of Cynicism and Contempt
George W. Bush and his henchmen stole the presidency. They threw thousands of innocent people into prison without even charging them with a crime. They're gearing up to invade Iraq without bothering to come up with a substantial justification. Now some Democrats and progressive Americans are asking the unthinkable about an administration they increasingly believe to be ruled by thugs and renegades. Did government gangsters murder the United States' most liberal legislator?
Talk of foul play began hours after Senator Paul Wellstone's plane went down over northeastern Minnesota on Oct. 25, killing him, his wife and his daughter, along with three staffers and two pilots. "Please tell me I'm wrong to be thinking what I'm thinking," a self-described "liberal Democrat" from St. Paul e-mailed me that evening. "I want to be wrong, but I wouldn't put it past the Republicans--THESE Republicans--to sabotage Wellstone's plane." Internet discussion groups and e-mail in-boxes quickly echoed her sentiment.
People expressed similar fears after Commerce Secretary Ron Brown and Missouri Governor Mel Carnahan (news - web sites) died in plane crashes--the latter weeks before facing an election challenge from future Bush Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites)--but the whispers of assassination following the Wellstone tragedy are more widespread and gaining mainstream currency far beyond the usual conspiracy nuts.
A Convenient Death
The Minnesota senator's death certainly comes at an auspicious time for the Republican Party. Wellstone's challenger, former St. Paul mayor Norm Coleman, was considered by both parties to be the GOP's best chance for recapturing the 50-to-49 Democratic U.S. Senate. Wellstone had been considered vulnerable for two reasons: his principled opposition to Bush's Iraq war resolution (the Senate voted 99-to-1 in favor) and a strong Green Party candidacy sure to siphon off leftie votes. Bush was so anxious to silence the Senate's most liberal voice (Mother Jones magazine called him "the first 1960s radical elected to the U.S. Senate") that he personally recruited Coleman to run against him. Bush then campaigned furiously against Wellstone, attending two fundraisers which raised over $2.3 million--more than he raised for any other Republican candidate, including his brother Jeb.
Republicans resorted to Nixon-style dirty tricks in the Coleman campaign. Coleman called Wellstone "extremist" and implied he was a communist. GOP workers phoned senior citizens to tell them that Wellstone was plotting to take away their Social Security (news - web sites). They called members of the National Rifle Association to tell them that Wellstone was plotting to take away their guns. They even ran newspaper ads depicting gruesome photos of late-term abortions.
Despite the money and sleazy tactics being used against him, recent polls showed Wellstone beginning to pull ahead. With Election Day looming on Nov. 5, many analysts were predicting a Wellstone victory and continued Democratic dominance of the Senate. Perhaps, the thinking goes, someone in the Bush regime decided Wellstone had to go.
Assassination by Aviation
If Wellstone's plane was sabotaged, it wouldn't be the first time that a political figure met his end in the friendly skies. A plane carrying Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung's hand-picked successor, Lin Biao, crashed under mysterious circumstances en route to Moscow during 1971. The Chinese later claimed that Lin was defecting to the Soviet Union after a botched coup attempt against Mao; guilty or not, most historians believe that his plane was probably sabotaged. On March 3, 2001, a phosphorus bomb blew up a Thai Airways Boeing 737-400 minutes before the country's new prime minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, was set to board the jet.
Many American politicians--mostly Democrats and liberal Republicans--have died in aviation disasters. Senator John Tower (R-TX) Senator John Heinz (D-PA), Congressman Mickey Leland (D-TX); Ron Brown and Mel Carnahan are among those who have been killed in airplanes since 1989. "Elected officials expose themselves every day to these kinds of risks as they travel across their states or districts," Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) commented, noting the perils of frequently using small aircraft.
Anyone who has traveled on what is euphemistically called "civil aviation" can tell horror stories about sudden drops, lurches and violent thunderstorms. But it's also true that security at the regional airports and small terminals at major airports used for such flights--Wellstone flew out of St. Paul--is more easily penetrable than that at JFK and LAX. It would hardly be impossible to sabotage a plane chartered for an inconvenient politician.
Wherefore the Black Box?
According to aviation consultant Robert Breiling, the plane that carried Senator Wellstone--the King Air A-100 "business turboprop," also known as a Beech King Air--is remarkably safe, with 25 percent fewer fatal accidents than other planes in its class. Warren Morningstar, spokesman for the Airline Owners and Pilots Association, says: "It's a great airplane."
So why did Wellstone's go down? Weather is the lead suspect. Freezing temperatures, which can be severe in Minnesota, came early this year. "This airplane would typically be equipped with de-ice equipment but there are icing conditions that are beyond the measure of any equipment to remove," Morningstar notes.
Local pilots, however, doubt that ice was a problem. "There was little ice. It was normal. We see it all the time," said Don Sipola, a flight instructor with 25 years experience.
"Black boxes"--a flight data recorder and a cockpit voice recorder--are often crucial for discovering the cause of airplane crashes. According to Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) spokesman Paul Takemoto, the plane was required to be equipped with both. Contradicting the FAA, Carol Carmody, acting chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites), which is investigating the site of the crash, says that the plane apparently carried neither. Were the black boxes lost or were they never aboard? Someone may know, but thus far no one's saying.
A Reflection on Bush
Odds are overwhelmingly in favor of a natural or mechanical explanation for the crash of Paul Wellstone's plane. For one thing, substitute candidate Walter Mondale is expected to retain Wellstone's senate seat for the Democrats. That's predictable. The victories of last-minute substitute candidates like Missouri's Jean Carnahan in 2000 and New Jersey's Frank Lautenberg this year provide ample evidence that losing a candidate needn't mean losing an election. If anything, Mondale is more likely to win than Wellstone was, notwithstanding the inadvertent prediction of China's president Jiang Zemin (news - web sites), who offered his "deep condolences for the loss of the Senate."
The fact that we're having this discussion at all is a symptom of the polarizing effect that Bush and his top dogs have had on the United States since assuming office and even more so in the hard-right free-for-all that followed the Sept. 11 attacks. Presidents routinely cause their political detractors to take offense, but one would have to go back to Franklin D. Roosevelt's attempt to stack the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) or Richard Nixon's wiretapping and enemies list to find another American leader who crossed the line of acceptable discourse as extremely as George W. Bush has done.
Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) may have been a hard line conservative, but had Wellstone died during his watch you wouldn't have heard liberals asking whether the Gipper had had him offed. Bush is different. Asking mailmen to spy on ordinary Americans, creating military tribunals for anyone deemed an "enemy combatant," locking prisoners of war in dog cages, spending a decade's worth of savings in six months, allowing journalists to die rather than provide them with help in a war zone, smearing Democratic politicians as anti-American, invading sovereign nations without excuse--these are acts that transgress essential American reasonableness. A man capable of these things seems, by definition, capable of anything.
Ironically, Paul Wellstone would have been the last person to suspect Republicans of such a monstrous crime. One of his final acts in the Senate was to praise the career of retiring Senator Jesse Helms, his ideological counterpart on the Right. Like most idealists, Wellstone thought the best of humanity, that people would do the right thing if the choices were properly and clearly explained. Wellstone wouldn't have wanted to believe that he was assassinated.
Neither do I. So let's hope those black boxes turn up.
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SpaceMonkey
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Posted - 11/13/2002 : 3:39:41 PM
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| All you guys should check out http://www.disinfo.com and read everything...it's cool and conspiracy-oriented...hopefully you can handle the truth...okay I'm off to the temple for my mason meeting! |
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Fleabass76
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dan p.
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tericee
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Posted - 11/24/2002 : 02:26:02 AM
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New movie: "Interview with the Assassin." Sounds interesting. (I read a review in Entertainment Weekly.)
The driving force behind the fictional "documentary" entitled "Interview with the Assassin" is an intimidating, portentous, volatile, paranoid performance by low-profile character actor Raymond J. Barry ("Training Day," "The Deep End"), playing a grayed, acrimonious ex-Marine sniper who claims -- now that he's dying of cancer and has nothing to lose -- to have been the elusive, legendary second gunman on the "grassy knoll," the real killer of President John F. Kennedy...
http://www.splicedonline.com/02reviews/interviewassassin.html |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 11/27/2002 : 11:20:08 PM
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| That movies sounds like it is right up my alley. I will have to check that out. Strangely, I haven't even heard of it. HMMMMMMMM Could it be a conspiracy? HEHE |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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PJK
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Posted - 11/28/2002 : 01:13:47 AM
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Now that is my kind of movie. I had a picture once that sure looked like there was a man with a riffle in the tree on the grassy Knoll. A friend was going to try to enhance it but the equipment he was going to use wasn't working. Now I don't even know what happened to the picture.
I am totally intrigued with the whole conspiracy theory. I have watched the movie JFK at least 25 times!
Thanks Teri, I am going to keep my eye out for that one! |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 11/28/2002 : 8:46:38 PM
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PJK, are you telling me you may have a photo that answers the biggest question of our lifeTIMe and you aren't sure where you put it? Now that sounds like some sort of conspiracy against the truth. HEHE
FIND THAT PHOTO!! Do you know how much it could be worth? You could be famous if your photo proves the 2nd shooter theory. By the way, why do you have a photo, were you there that day? Or do you work for the govt? Or BOTH?
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Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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PJK
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Posted - 11/28/2002 : 8:54:03 PM
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I could be dead....thanks. Actually it was an AP photo, the stupid asses didn't even know what they had. I don't want to be famous for that. Our dear PA Senator Arlin Spector was part of the commitee that came up with the whole magic bullet theory. I don't trust him, I don't trust anyone. To me it was solved. I know what I had I don't care if the world ever knows. My hero in the case is dead and when he died I didn't care to investigate it any more. |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 11/28/2002 : 9:12:49 PM
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| Not if you created the conspiracy. Maybe you are the mastermind of it all and that is how & why you hold the key(the photo to the mystery and "suddenly can't find the photo". VERY INTERESTING!!! |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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PJK
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Posted - 11/28/2002 : 9:18:31 PM
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| Since I was a little girl when Kennedy was shot I don't think I could have started it but hey if you want to give be the credit for it be my guest! hehehe |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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