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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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 Posted - 12/12/2006 : 5:00:02 PM
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Well, we all know that the voting is a sham but if you ARE to vote for someone, I would suggest this fine, fine man.
http://kucinich.us/
I hope Tim does some things again to support him. MUCH respect for anyone that wants to create a Department of Peace. |
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jsemon2
Yak Addict
USA
920 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 5:09:02 PM
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department of peace????
that sounds like an oxymoron to me. |
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Robin
Yak Addict
USA
598 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 7:54:00 PM
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| He's amazing, I saw him speak a few years back here in Santa Cruz and I was really impressed. I knew that it was too good to be true to even hope he had a chance. I'd vote for him again, Peace, Robin |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 8:49:50 PM
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| One of the few congressmen with a soul. Hopefully he can just spread his message a little more and get people leaning a little more his way. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 9:48:36 PM
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I have to say, the only person in politics I really trust is Russ Feingold. Plus he lives by, lol.
I am sad he has now said he is not running for president, but I will always vote for that man.
About who I am going to vote for in the upcoming election, I don't know yet. Also, in our society the only way to change things is to vote,even to change the voting system, vote for people who will change it. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 10:10:25 PM
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While I agree that he would make a fine President, my vote will be for Barak Obama if he runs and becomes the Democratic nominee. I already told his "people" I will volunteer in his campaign.
There are two reasons I don't see Dennis being successful, first he is seen by Democrats and Republicans as being FAR left, which personally I don't think he is. The other reason I don't see him going far is his stature.Yes I know that is a terribly unfair and shallow comment. You and I know it is what is between a person's ears (their brain) that makes one a good candidate for any office but he is such a small man in stature, I don't think people take him seriously enough. I wish they would. For those reasons I don't see him getting far in a race for President, but one should always vote for whom they feel would do the best job and NEVER be discouraged even when the cards seem to be stacked against their candidate.
He is certainly an honorable man and he has done great things for his home state. Now an Obama/Kucinch ticket......hummmm......hehehehehe I know, I know, Dream on McDuff! |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 11:03:03 PM
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Barack Obama is my candidate of choice. My buddy and I started a facebook group to rally early support for his presidency amongst students our age.
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 1:55:40 PM
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Originally posted by Ranting Thespian
About who I am going to vote for in the upcoming election, I don't know yet. Also, in our society the only way to change things is to vote,even to change the voting system, vote for people who will change it.
The biggest change in our last century was the civil rights movement. That was not brought about by a vote. Voting is not the way to change things. Our culture is what shapes the vote, so change the culture and educate if you want to change things. I don't know why people subscribe to the power of others to change things. As we say around here Do it Yourself. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 3:04:36 PM
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| while i agree with the idea behind the department of peace (that being, presumably "we have a department for war, why not for peace?") i would think the application of it wouldn't be any good. if anything, the government needs to shrink, not grow. as if having a department for something ever solved anything. it's just more bureaucracy, more money, and no results. why don't we take the money, if we have it, and give to schools, or something useful like that? |
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 7:05:02 PM
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From the Kucinich Email list:
Announcement of Candidacy for President of the United States
Dear Friend,
We are living in a time of great tests of our humanity, which also present great opportunities for transformation. The war in Iraq is a veil that shrouds our creativity and our potential for prosperity. It cuts us off from the world at a time when it is imperative that we acknowledge our interdependence and interconnectedness.
This is a moment with a profound feeling of destiny. America has been an extraordinary international power to manifest that which we focus our energies upon. This power is true of individuals as well as nations.
In a way, when we focus on terror, we bring to ourselves that which we fear. We focused on terror in Iraq and paradoxically helped to create the circumstances, which have propelled Iraq into civil war and chaos.
The prestigious Lancet report on excess casualties in Iraq estimates that the war in Iraq has caused 655,000 Iraqi deaths, and that 20% of those deaths are a direct result of the actions of coalition forces.
This war sacrifices the lives of innocent Iraqis, the lives of our troops, and the physical resources and good will of our nation. We are sacrificing our financial future, borrowing money from Beijing to occupy Baghdad in a war that military generals and the Iraqi Study Group have concluded is impossible to win militarily.
We are focusing our resources on the power of destruction rather than the vision of a world in which we want to live: A world of prosperity and peace, equity, beauty and justice. It is time for us to stand together to bring the troops home and stand by the people of Iraq through implementing a real policy for the security, recovery, reconciliation and restoration of their nation.
We as a nation have the opportunity to embrace the challenges of our time and take a new direction, starting with ending the war in Iraq. The leaders of my party have said that they will not stop funding the war, and are openly supporting a supplementary appropriations bill for an additional one hundred and sixty billion dollars ($160,000,000,000), on top of the $70,000,000,000 that was appropriated to Iraq for financial year 2007, back in October of this year. This would bring war expenditure for 2007 to $230 billion, double the expenditure of 2006, and by far the largest appropriation of the war so far.
Yesterday, I announced my candidacy for President of the United States in a quest to call my party to courage and integrity on this issue. This is a journey upon which I hope you will join together with me to ensure that our country calls forth our great potential with the same courage of our forefathers and mothers who birthed the vision for our great nation.
You can see a video of my Announcement speech on www.kucinich.us (Our site has undergone its own transformation!)
Our campaign will change the direction of the Democratic Party, the war in Iraq and our nation.
Please join me to help make this great turning possible.
Thank you
Dennis Kucinich
Please support Dennis's work by making a contribution at http://www.kucinich.us/contribute, and by forwarding this message widely.
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
1916 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 10:04:24 PM
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This country better pray to whatever God they imagine, because if Kucinich doesn't win (whether by the controlled voting system or billions of dollars of propaganda), and the already decided candidate Hilary Clinton wins, we all better kiss our "free" asses goodbye. It's all over then.
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
2154 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 11:09:54 PM
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I disagree Dan, the government does need to grow, just in a more positive direction.
By making more room for independent scientific regulation of food, drugs (MEDICINE), environmental security, etc. and cut back on all the worthless, back-room, one-hand-washes-the-other beauracracies that exist now. By creating a more positive and healthy goverment, the people will be forced (as we are all now into being fat, greedy, lazy, scared, and stupid) into being a more creative, thoughtful, and efficient in their everyday lives.
The media could also play a big role in this, however, the media, the pharm companies, the banks, the bomb-makers, etc. all have vested interest in our government (Fascissimo!) so ultimately, cleaning house in government would prove to be imperative to economic, environmental, nutritional, and clinical progress. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 07:10:57 AM
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It must be nice to have so much money you can run for President a second time, knowing you won't win the Democratic nomination, just to get your messages out, your voice heard. I really don't see Dennis going very far, but hey, who knows. If nothing else, there will be people who will get ideas from him, at least I hope thats the case.
As for Hilary, she is not the Demacratic "shoe in." Most Democrates don't want her. A Hilary nomination would equal another 4 years of a Republican President. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
1916 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 07:18:31 AM
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| EXACTLY! She has been having dinner with Murdoch, watch the shift in Fox News' promotion of her in the next 2 years. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 10:29:14 AM
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you seem to be assuming some things. firstly, that by adding more people to the government, even in well meaning organizations, that these people won't be corrupt or bad. secondly, you're assuming that these new additions will be useful and effective. i get the feeling, and these are my assumptions, that just the opposite of that will be true.
i don't understand why people think adding on more government to oversee our lives will help. why not just leave people alone, instead. we have a big government full of useless bullshit now as it is. the nsa? we don't need it. throw it out.
dealing specifically with the department of peace: what exactly could they do? you can't stop people from existing. people breed strife, they hate each other, and they fight. not all of them. just enough to make it bad. so what can a department of peace do against that? paperwork won't help. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 11:40:02 AM
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| The Department of Peace sounds like the perfect organization for governmental scams and corruption. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
2154 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 12:26:06 PM
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I am not assuming anything. The truth is, if people weren't so cynical and lethargic about elected officials, we could establish a working less-corrupt government.
Unfortunately, we have the Oroburos effect going on between our head, the gov, and our ass, us.
Just don't kill my idea solely based on cynicism, that's enemy number one. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 12:50:43 PM
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| that's the trouble with cynicism. it can be tough to distiguish between that and opinions formed on past experience. the department of peace is a dear, sweet kind of idea, sort of like the department of puppies and sunshine. i'm just unsure of what practical application such a department (the peace one, not the puppies one) might have. what would they do? how would they do it? what would make it different from organizations of the past? have any of these question been answers, or is it just sort of an idea he's tossing out there? this isn't cynicism, per se, but i believe that humans have a generally combative nature. i don't believe the structural/functionalism model at all. that's why i struggle with the idea of an organization that can fix it. if indeed there is anything about human nature that needs to be fixed. |
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jsemon2
Yak Addict
USA
920 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 4:23:11 PM
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Barack Obama is my candidate of choice. My buddy and I started a facebook group to rally early support for his presidency amongst students our age.
a facebook group........ DORK |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 4:33:46 PM
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Just to add a thought that I don't think has been addressed so far, there are a number of young people who are becoming active in government. Here in my district in Penna. we just elected Patrick Murphy to the US Congress. Patrick is enthusiastic and energetic. I don't think he is alone. He actually replaced an equally young and enthusiastic Republican, Mike Fitzpatrick.
Corruption does happen, will always happen to a degree in government. Let's face it, not many of us work for businesses (or in my case a school district) that doesn't have some corrupt people in it. The thing is to try to make things better.
I have faith in the youth. I still believe there are people who enter politics with honest desires to help make our country and the world a better place.
I don't feel more government will make it better. It isn't the amount of government it is the effectiveness that counts. As for a department for peace, I don't know about that one. That is what the United Nations is supposed to be for. Yes, the UN is basically a joke, but the US helps to make it that way. When we go before the UN looking for support to invade another country, a country that has not shown any aggression towards us nor has threatened any of our allies, and the UN says NO and we go and do it anyway, well then we just helped to undermine any validity the UN possesses.
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 8:46:03 PM
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| "I heartily accept the motto,-'That government is best which governs least.'" -Henry David Thoreau |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 9:17:01 PM
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| Governments don't work. Name one government that has ended up really working. The whole idea of government is flawed. If we wanted to be honest to ourselves as a human race we would admit that we are failures in the realm of government and look for something else. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2006 : 02:17:05 AM
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| i wouldn't go quite that far, zach. surely some form of government is necessary. not only that, i think it's inevitable. let's suppose government as we know it ceased to be. and not only does it cease to be, but our recollection of being governed is also gone. as if it never existed. i would suggest that some humans would emerge as leaders again, in some form or other, either by explicit or implicit desicion among a group, or by domination. i think it has to happen. you see that sort of thing in nature all the time. wolves, i guess, would be a good example. it's not a "government" as we're used to, but the alpha male is the leader. i don't think humans are any different. there's an intrinsic desire in humans for hierarchy, for order. it's only natural. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2006 : 2:53:13 PM
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Ya re-reading my original post it sounds a little extreme, but I stand by it, but I guess I'll clarify my meaning. As you pointed out even in natural systems we have a form of government. However I think that I kind of have a little bit of meaning attached to the word government that most people don't. It probably came from reading early anarchist thinkers and a lot of Zinn, amongst others, but basically it has to do with the idea that there always is government, just not in it's natural form. For example, if all governments completely died tommorow, ya I assume more people would raise arms and try to take control, but the majority of us would just be trying to surrvive. My city portland is pretty tame over all (besides the fact that we have some of the highest meth rates around), and I would be willing to bet complete chaos and violence wouldn't break out here.
The whole idea of government is that we allow government or consent to being governed. We in essence aren't governed as much from force like an extreme fuedal situation as out of our own moral/ethical decision to be governed. When the government no longer is just in the almost any degree (which is the real point of my first post I guess, that evey government is or becomes completelyunjust) it no longer has the right to govern. Now what I suggest is bringing it closer to a natural order of government.
Whales live in pods, Wolves live in packs, so why don't humans have something similar. They do and they were the only form of government around till roughly 10,000 years ago. They were called tribes. Now is everything going to be perfect and all? No, but at least we might not have nukes pointed at each other and have a completely failing ecological system. We are in the position we are as humans today because we think we can govern (not only each other, but the earth and even space, as well as nature), and I don't think we can. That's why I think humans will join the ranks of many extinct animals.
Anyway I would welcome a more natural governing system. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2006 : 3:49:51 PM
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| i find that a little more agreeable. unrealistic at this point maybe, but still. the trouble is, i think, that while humans are part of nature and are animals, we seem to possess abilities and traits, mental and psychological, that differ from animals. i would think that, if smaller groups were to govern themselves, one or a couple groups would become more powerful, however power is measured. others would seek to join with them, or take them over for their advantages. and eventually we'd work our way back to this, or something like this. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2006 : 7:43:18 PM
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Well the only difference I know of between humans and animals (keeping in mind I think we are animals) is really a difference of culture. I know of no animal which would go take out a forest of many plants to replace it with something that only our species can use. We try to govern the earth and are even trying with science to figure out the laws of nature. Why? If you ask me it's so we can control it and govern them. It's what the bible was talking about when Adam and Eve got kicked out of the Garden of Eden. Now they decided to choose what is good and evil, or right and wrong. They fell, and now even non-religous humans look at us different from animals.
We have failed at governing the world and instead of admitting it and figuring it out we keep trying to have a magnificent government or great society structure that fails again and again. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 12/17/2006 : 1:23:12 PM
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| if you believe that humans are animals, then you pretty much have to concede that all that humans do is natural. if all the actions of all the other animals are viewed as natural, why should the actions of humans be viewed as anything different? everything we do is natural by definition. but don't confuse natural with beneficial. the things we do are destructive, but are destructiveness and naturalness mutually exclusive? i don't think so. all systems break down. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2006 : 3:32:45 PM
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| I guess it depends on the definition of natural. I mean natural as in nature as in the probablistic governing force that brings about causality (a probabalistic causality) in which we are a part of. Humans try to control this and that's where we fail. Nature simply is the group of laws that control the universe. I don't suggest were outside nature or what we do is outside of nature I'm merely suggesting that humans in our culture are no longer trying to align themselves with working natural systems, but trying to control nature and we're losing. So I guess I should say that we should be more in harmony with natural laws or soemthing to that effect. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2006 : 7:58:53 PM
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| that's a very good way to look at it, because when you look at it, nature really is laws. but do the laws govern everything that exists in nature, or does the behavior of the things in nature define the laws of nature? |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 12/18/2006 : 4:09:52 PM
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| That's a good question and I'll be pondering it some here. At first it would seem that behavior defines laws, but I'm not convinced yet. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 12/18/2006 : 9:28:29 PM
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| i'd have to agree with your first guess. and if that's the case, if behavior defines laws, how can the actions of humans, who are animals, he viewed as against those laws, whereas every other thing in nature defines those laws. or, if human behavior, like other things in nature, define law, how can we go against the laws we create with the very actions that create them? |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 12/22/2006 : 3:02:46 PM
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| I agree Dan. Now I guess I have a way to word what I mean. So assuming we create the laws behaviorally, then what law or laws would promote a healthy balanced ecology and provide for greater bio-diversity and better ensure life to continue in a similar form on this planet? That could also be considered a law of nature although I'm not sure law is the right word. Find that law and I assure you that humans are the only ones living outside that law. It's all very Daniel Quinn, but true. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 12/23/2006 : 8:31:42 PM
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| that sounds about right. but really now we're just talking about wording of the idea of finding a way to not be detrimental to our environment. what it seems like you're suggesting, is that there is a "law" (i can't think of a better word, either) that all life on earth abides by this law (or creates it with their behavior) and that humans live outside this law, or run against it. and truthfully, i don't know enough about ecology, biology, or wildlife to be able to say one way or another if that's right. but it seems to me that species rise and fall, and have done so before humans, and that earth has undergone drastic changes without human aid (ice ages, the development of deserts.) it does seem reasonable to me, though, to suggest that humans hasten destructive events with their behavior. the trouble is determining what is simply the chaotic, destructive elements of the rest of nature from what is the result of the actions of humans, the other part of nature. |
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 07:19:47 AM
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A New Year of Peace, Prosperity, Hope
Dear Friend,
A New Year of Peace, Prosperity, Hope: All possibilities exist prospectively as we look forward to 2007.
Each one of us holds transformational capabilities to engage the world constructively through the images of the future we hold in our mind. Our thoughts have power. The power of intent together with action transforms our lives and our world.
We invite you to join with us on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day, wherever you gather with family and friends, to hold fast the intention to create structures of peace in our society by inviting everyone with whom you come into contact to join this intentional effort to make a practical reality our dynamic vision of peace.
The Kucinich Campaign is a race for the Presidency, and much more. It is about helping every person reach his or her own highest potential as citizens of America and the world. It is about empowering ourselves and each other in a joyous realization of our highest aspirations.
Of course peace is possible. Peace is already the practical, overriding existent reality of our lives; it describes our loves, our joys, our dreams and we rely on it for our future. Some would have us buy into war as the fundamental, inevitable perpetual condition of the world. This is a lie which we buy into at our greatest peril. We are called upon to respond with courage and with truth from the wellspring of our humanity.
The world is in a situation of urgency on many levels, but we still have a window of opportunity around which we can rally to enable great transformational changes. The situation in Iraq is salvageable with the right leadership and a change in approach. The damage to our global climate can be repaired, if we are willing to pursue new directions, new technologies and a renewed commitment to individual action to protect our air, our water, our land.
Let us, in this annual celebration of our humanity, call forth the buoyant, expectant energies of the New Year and harness them to quicken the impulse toward positive change. The economic stability of our communities and the physical and spiritual health of our nation depend upon our commitment to practical paths toward renewal. That is the power which stands behind all New Year's resolutions.
Let us resolve, then, to join in a collective effort to create a new world. The Presidency becomes the catalyst for powerful, transformative change, a new American evolution, spiraling upward along paths of clarity, strength, vision, determination and action.
Let us collectively have a bright encounter with the energies of the New Year and make 2007 the year of which future generations will say: "That is when the change began. That is when we began to create with courage a new nation and a new world."
We wish you a joyful New Year!
Dennis and Elizabeth
Please support Dennis's work by making a contribution at http://www.kucinich.us/contribute, and by forwarding this message widely.
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2007 : 10:13:17 PM
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| I really like Kucinich. Hopefully I'll get to see Tim help him campaign here again for 08. |
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2007 : 11:47:28 AM
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"No Strings Attached" means that Dennis Kucinich listens to you
Dear Friend,
As many of you know, Dennis gave a rousing speech at a presidential forum hosted by AFSCME in Carson City, Nevada last week where he affirmed with a resounding crowd that he is indeed the only candidate with no strings attached.
It is clear that large corporate interests have dominated the course of American politics recently. Looking at almost all of the meaniful issues we will be facing in 2008, from the Iraq War to health care, it is clear that corporations are proving that they can still buy politicians. Having no strings attached means that Dennis Kucinich does not listen to these companies, and instead listens to you. Furthermore, having no strings attached means that Dennis Kucinich does not accept money from these or any corporations or interest groups under any circumstances. This means that all of the campaign money comes from you, the individual contributor.
We are hoping raise $50 million, but with no strings attached, it is absolutely essential that if you support Dennis' views, you support his campaign financially. Unlike other campaigns that are dominated by large corporate backdoor deals, the Kucinich campaign is out in the front with open arms and no strings attached. With your $50 contribution, you can be one in a million people that helps us meet our $50 million goal to prove once again that democray is not for sale to the highest bidder, but instead rests with the people of the United States.
Thank you for your help,
Evan Moody
National Outreach Coordinator
Kucinich for President 2008
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"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Robin
Yak Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2007 : 1:12:40 PM
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Thanks for posting this Fluffy,I'm contributing for sure.
I'm not going to be a lemming and vote for one of the two parties for fear it will take votes from the lesser of two evils. As Frank Zappa once said "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible". It's definately TIMe for that! Peace, Robin |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2007 : 3:12:34 PM
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Nice post Fluffy and he is a great candidate, I give him kudos for not caving in to powers that be.
My candidate, however is still Barak Obama. I have followed him for quite some time and unless he does something totally against my beliefs between now and the 2008 election, he has my vote, even if I have to write it in! |
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Originally posted by PJK
Nice post Fluffy and he is a great candidate, I give him kudos for not caving in to powers that be.
My candidate, however is still Barak Obama. I have followed him for quite some time and unless he does something totally against my beliefs between now and the 2008 election, he has my vote, even if I have to write it in!
AMEN! I loved his offical announcement for candidacy, and I'm signed up on his website as a result. I've never felt so stirred by a mainstream politican before. |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 03/02/2007 : 03:32:09 AM
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‘It’s Called Heart’
With Vilsack out, there's one less dark horse in the running. Can Dennis Kucinich capitalize? The pride of Cleveland on how his anti-war politics went mainstream, what he's got on Obama and Hillary, and what makes him run.
Web-exclusive interview
By Susannah Meadows
Newsweek
Updated: 8:15 p.m. ET Feb 27, 2007
Feb. 26, 2007 - You don’t have to pay thousands of dollars to rub elbows with an antiwar Democratic presidential candidate in Hollywood. Rep. Dennis Kucinich was in town this past weekend, lining up support for his own bid for the White House. How much to meet the congressman from Cleveland? Twenty-five bucks, at one Culver City fund-raiser. And he actually voted against going into Iraq. In fact, he’s the only Democratic candidate to have done so. And unlike the current front runner, he has the experience of having run for president himself before. A recent Cook Political Report/RT Strategies poll showed him weighing in at 1 percent—a tough spot, to be sure, but still ahead of Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd. Kucinich spoke out against the war in his 2004 run; this time around, polls show, the country is thinking more like him. Does that mean the dark horse’s time has come? He spoke with NEWSWEEK’s Susannah Meadows about winning, falling in love and playing third-string quarterback.
NEWSWEEK: How is this race going to be different?
Dennis Kucinich: Four years ago, people weren’t sure about the war. Today, my stand is mainstream. Four years ago, people weren’t sure how they felt about a not-for-profit health-care system, Medicare for all. Today my position is mainstream. And so I think what’s happened is on the biggest international issue and on the biggest domestic issue, my candidacy emerges as the one to win.
But with the polls showing you at 1 percent, how are you going to win?
At one time, everyone comes from 1 percent….There’s time. There are some who feel that if you raise enough money now you can intimidate the others. Well, I can’t be bought. I can’t be intimidated. I can win because I’ve been right. No amount of money raised by some of these candidates is going to be able cover up their faulty judgment of the war. I am now in what I think is a very good position to build a campaign based on the success of what I’ve stood for.
How does this campaign so far compare to your 2004 bid?
It’s much different. There’s a recognition that I was right about the war. This is the central international policy question that faces the United States and the world, and those candidates who were not right about it, serious questions have to be raised about whether or not they’re up for being president of the United States.
What about the candidates, like Barack Obama, who—granted—wasn’t in a position to vote against the war, but who spoke out against it?
That’s fine, except for one thing. He’s voted 100 percent to fund it. If you’re opposed to something, you don’t vote to give it money. And a single speech is not hundreds of speeches. It’s not real leadership. If someone wants to talk about the war, then they better have real credentials for it. And those credentials have to include working to defeat funding for the war. There’s no other person in this race who’s done that. There’s no one else who’s taken a stand for peace that I’ve taken and I think that’s what the American people are yearning for.
Do you think that the candidates who’ve apologized for their vote made a mistake in earnest?
Let me just tell you something, on matters of life and death, there’s no room for mistakes. On Iraq, we all had the same information. It reflects on a person’s thinking. It’s too late to apologize when you have caskets being shipped over to the United States and you have 650,000 innocent Iraqi civilians that are dead.
What is your strategy for breaking through the crowded field?
I’m standing on something that none of those other candidates can buy. The truth. My position on international policy is golden because I was right. It’s not just about being right. I have a plan to get us out of Iraq. I’ve come up with a 12-point plan that would enable our troops to leave Iraq and that would stabilize Iraq. I’ve been distributing it in Congress for two months. Members will have a chance to support it when they return. This plan is the only plan that can work because it recognizes that the occupation is what’s fueling the insurgency. My plan understands that you need to get the international community involved, it also understands that our ending the occupation opens the door for a real process of reconciliation.
It takes money, too.
How much do I have to pay you to get this is in the paper? Nothing. I’m serious. My point is, when the media starts reporting what I’m saying, this race is going to change. People will see that somebody’s been right all along and knows the way out of the mess.
You don’t think people know your position yet?
They’re just learning it. And as they learn it, they’re going to say somebody was right all along. Wow. Where do we sign up?
Do you feel you have a realistic chance of winning?
Oh yeah. I think it’s only a matter of time before my candidacy has a breakthrough. It’s having a breakthrough right now. I had a standing ovation at the event in Carson City the other day. We’ve been getting a tremendous reception in New Hampshire.
Short of winning, what are other goals you hope to achieve with your bid? Do you hope to influence the candidates to move in your direction?
It must be very difficult to be in a situation where you’re called upon to determine here in February who the next president’s going to be and then who it’s important to talk to and who it’s not important to talk to. Let me explain something. Since you called me, and you’ve given me this time, which I’m grateful for, I’m going to tell you that I expect to be elected. And I expect to be elected because people will learn that I’ve been right all along and that I’ve stood for the truth. I’m not a rookie in politics. Because I’ve been doing this for a while, I understand that ideas sometimes take awhile to catch hold. But I will tell you that the idea of peace is the most powerful idea in America today…. I think that we’re in a whole new era where we need to pursue human relations as a science and stop using deadly force to try to change things.
Are you against the use of force in all instances?
I think we have a right to defend our country. But many people who were charged with the responsibility of making a decision in 2002 didn’t know the difference between defense and offense. Let me tell you, I was a third-string quarterback on a varsity football team. And I know the difference between defense and offense, OK?
Did you ever get to play?
I played, absolutely. I lettered. I played. I also know how to tell up from down. We have candidates here who don’t know the difference between offense and defense.
In the Democratic field, as well?
YES! We engaged in aggressive war against Iraq. It’s an illegal war!
What was it like getting together with a lot of the other Democratic candidates at an event in Las Vegas recently?
Hillary and I have campaigned together in the past, John Edwards and I have campaigned together. They’re all good people. All of us have known each other. These are people who are friends of mine. But it’s kind of like having a brother or sister who’s playing for the other team. You play your best, and when you’re off the field you’re friends.
How did the last race change your life?
I understand America as an undivided whole. I see the underlying unity of America. I see the fulfillment of the prophecy of America’s first motto, out of many one, e pluribus unum. There is a oneness to this country.
But it was such a divisive election, how did you pick up on that sentiment?
Because I campaigned longer than any other candidate except Kerry, among Democrats. It’s because I took the campaign through to the convention. What I learned from traveling the country is that there is this underlying unity. Americans are ready to be rallied. This isn’t about some kind of good publicity thing. It’s about tapping people’s deepest feelings. That’s not only what I learned about the people. I’ve included it in what I am. I get it. I understand what America’s about. You see that regional differences or racial or ethnic or religious differences, they all yield to this underlying unity. Because I understand the unity, I can exemplify the unity through being expressive of principals of peace and prosperity.
Congratulations on your new marriage.
I met my wife, who’s from London, when she’d only been in the country for two weeks. She came in as an assistant for a meeting in my office on monetary policy. Our eyes met and that was it. Count to three and it was over. She had me from hello. Nothing was said in the meeting because the meeting was about monetary policy. Ten days later I found myself at my desk thinking about her, asking the universe for a message from her. And at that exact moment, I got a message, an e-mail. It was miraculous. It was about the legislation. Long story short, we met in New Mexico about two weeks later and we immediately decided to get married.
Do you think of yourself as impulsive?
Decisive and right. Actually not at all, are you kidding? Listen, I’ve been married before. You don’t get impulsive if you’ve been married before. You’re very careful. But when you fall in love, you just know. There was a soul recognition. The soul has an impulse of its own. Do you choose to say yes or not? We just said yes.
During the last campaign, you were looking for a girlfriend. Is that how you met her?
When I was running last time, I was single, I was in New Hampshire and a radio station suggested a contest to help find a wife. It was a light-hearted moment, one that was not serious. Campaigns, while it’s great to meet people, are not the moment that you start a life relationship.
Why does Hillary Clinton have so much support?
She was the First Lady of America. She’s better known. That’s worth something for a while. You have to credit the fact that she’s been one of the most prominent Americans for many, many years. There’s no question she has a natural advantage. But it doesn’t follow that it’s going to be decisive in a presidential election.
Tom Vilsack dropped out. What do you have that he lacked?
I wish him well. I’m not going to second-guess his decision. I made mine. I’m in this race and I intend to win it.
What keeps you going?
It’s called heart.
© 2007 Newsweek, Inc.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17348970/site/newsweek/
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Robin
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Posted - 03/02/2007 : 5:52:46 PM
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| WOW!! What an excellent article/interview. Kucinich speaks the truth Right on! Peace, Robin |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 03/20/2007 : 12:41:48 PM
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KUCINICH ON THE IMPEACHMENT KICK
Impeachment: I'm asking you. Do you think it's time?
Dear Friends,
Today is the fourth anniversary of the war in Iraq. We know it was wrong to go into this war and it's wrong to stay in.
For four years I have been working to end this war, including leading the effort to cut off continued funding for the war. There is enough money to bring our troops home and we should do that.
But the Bush administration, with the help of some in Congress, wants to pour more money into this war.
Worse than that, the Bush administration now is signaling its intention to wage war with Iran. We cannot allow that to happen.
So I'm asking you. Do you think it's time?
I'm talking about time for impeachment.
I ask because we are now have a condition in this country where we are told to take impeachment off the table, and keep on the table a U.S. military attack against Iran.
This situation calls for us to reconsider very deeply the moment that we're in – where our Constitution is being trashed, where international law is being violated, where our hopes and dreams for the education of our children, for the health of our people, for housing, for our veterans, are being set aside as we go deeper and deeper into war.
We need a whole discussion in America. And with your help, we're about to have one.
Please go to my website, and watch the video posted today, "Impeachment: I'm asking you. Do you think it's time?" ... http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=196759&u=310
You may find the printed transcript of this video at ... http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=196759&u=311
Or you can see this video on my YouTube site, at ... http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=196759&u=312
Once you've watched or read this statement, please send me your comments. Over this past weekend there were thousands of demonstrations against this war being waged by the President with the consent of Congress. This must stop.
Then talk to your friends, family, and neighbors. Get them together for a house party to discuss this war, and our options to stop it. Click here for information on a house party kit.
Please join with me on this day by signaling your continued support for ending this war. Your voice is important.
And so is your contribution. We need your help to carry our message forward. Our goal is to raise $50 million for this campaign, $50 at a time from one million concerned Americans: http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=196759&u=314;id=1
Be One of a Million. Please contribute today to show your support for ending this war.
Thank you,
Dennis J Kucinich
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"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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PJK
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Posted - 03/25/2007 : 3:12:59 PM
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| I am surprised that nothing much has been said in the media about his wife. She seems like a lovely person, but I thought she was his daughter! She's only a few years older than my daughter. gross |
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Robin
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Posted - 03/25/2007 : 4:17:30 PM
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| Who cares, he loves her and his choice is his own. At least he's not married to someone he puts out to the public, while he fucks some young thing behind closed/public doors. Kucinich rocks, he's the only honest choice as far a I'm concerned. |
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rubylith
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Posted - 03/25/2007 : 7:50:36 PM
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Hi Robin,
Kucinich is the man, check out Ron Paul as well.
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PJK
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Posted - 03/25/2007 : 8:30:44 PM
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Who cares, he loves her and his choice is his own
I didn't say I cared, just that it's gross. Hey, ya know what they say, the third time's a charm and hopefully for him it will be.
I would only care if it was my daughter.
It wouldn't stop me from voting for a candidate, but it would make me uncomfortable. The fact that she is so very young combined with the fact that she is British, well, not my idea of a great first lady. I don't think it matters anyway because the likelyhood Dennis will get the Democratic nomination is slim to none. You have it give it to him for trying though. He is not my choice, but I have to say the man has conviction and determination. The race is still early, so who knows? |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 2:41:42 PM
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Sadly, I cannot watch this as we have a show tomorrow nite with Marcus Eaton in Hartford, CT. I hope they reair it at some point. If you aren't doing anything please have a look and post in this thread how it goes. THANX in advance!
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Hello Kucinich Supporter!
As many of you know, the first presidential debate is tomorrow evening at 7pm on MSNBC. This event will provide the American public with another chance to see why Dennis Kucinich is the only viable candidate to lead America into a peaceful, sustainable future.
Please gather together your closest friends, neighbors, and fellow Kucinich supporters for a Debate Party. All you have to do is gather people in your house in front of a television and watch the debate. If you like what you see from Dennis, be sure to collect contributions and donate them at kucinich.us
Mobilizing for a debate this size is very expensive, and Dennis' campaign relies on your support for raising the funds we need to continue.
Please, host a Debate Party with your friends and help Dennis fund raise. With your support, Dennis can bring his message of peace to all of the debates and on into the White House. Please watch the debate with fellow Kucinich supporters and contribute to the campaign.
Thank you so much for your support.
Kucinich for President 2008
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"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Robin
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 10:50:14 PM
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| Thanks Fluffy! We're beginning to see Kucinich bumper stickers more and more here in town. Giving the big thumbs up on the road. Peace,Robin |
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Infant Eyes
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 11:31:05 PM
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Kucinich and the guy from Alaska who's name is slipping my mind now were both awesome. Kucinich got some press but the Alaska guy got pretty much none.
The worst thing is that after the debate the commentary was pretty much about how Clinton solidified her place as a front runner and really did well at the debate. Ugh! She didn't say anything!
Anyway it's great because Kucinich's opinions are slightly more mainstream now from the last election when far too many people supported the war, and such. Hopefully he can do better this year or win the nomination. I think he could really go after the other candidates when they're full of shit more and people would get on his train more. |
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PJK
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 02:56:01 AM
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Kucinich was on the Bill Maher show tonight, which has reruns numerous times over the weekend so check your TV listings. I admit, the man did an outstanding job, was extremely interesting and spoke with clear conviction. I was definitely impressed! Also, I admit, the man sure doesn't seem like he's in his 60's, he was full of vigor and life and if I didn't know better, I would have guessed he was in his 40's. He is on the opening segment and is interviewed by Bill Maher, I fell asleep during the rest of the show, LOL.
I liked his comments on Saddam, the war, the United Nations, our health care system, and most of all the way he pointed out that the US is not superior, but rather a part of the global community.
I am going to catch the show again for sure and record it on my DVR. The Presidential race is still early, and I am still a huge supporter of Barak Obama, but I really pray that Kucinich and more importantly, his ideals, become a lot more popular. I can't say how much I would love to see an Obama/Kucinich ticket!
Kudo's for Kucinich! |
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PJK
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 07:07:20 AM
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Oh, and I forgot to mention, Kucinch also is in favor of legalizing pot!
Can't wait to see a repeat of this episode! He really was pretty amazing. |
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 9:05:02 PM
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| I'd support an Obama/Kucinich ticket if it was Kucinich for president and Obama for vice. Otherwise I'd vote third party, because I don't think Obama is going to do anything but maintain the status quo. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 02:37:57 AM
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I disagree! Obama 4 Prez.  |
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PJK
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 12:26:57 PM
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I just watched a rerun of his show with Bill Maher and I have to say, the man is winning me over! Not sure how he plans to get his ideas accomplished but he is so right-on when it comes to foreign and domestic policies.
Man I hate to leave the Obama trail, but Kucinich has his priorities straight.
Now I know why such a young woman was attracted to him in the first place, he is bright and full of vigor. At one point Bill asked him about his vegan life style and he said it is what keeps his blood pressure low and gives him so much energy. He said he has plenty of energy to keep him going 16-20 hour a day. Bill said "with sex?" and he said, of course! LOL
He just sounds very down to earth, but more importantly, he believes in health care for all, has ideas to boost the economy, would try to decriminalize pot, doesn't believe in war but rather has great ideas to make the world better. Most of all he believes that PEACE not war is the way to go!
I just sat there agreeing with everything the man said and I thought my reservations were that he is so low in the polls that he doesn't have a chance of winning. Then I realized that if people like myself stop thinking that way and support him, those poles can turn around!
Guess he made a believer out of me and I am very happy to eat my own words. |
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Robin
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 1:50:45 PM
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Well said Pam, that has been my feeling all along. If we continue to believe that a candidate we support has no chance, because he's not mainstream in his ideas,therefore we shouldn't support him, then we create that for ourselves. Peace, Robin
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Fluffy
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 01:56:41 AM
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1 min video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbvEAkHh1uA |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 12:07:11 AM
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A Message from Dennis Kucinich
I am emailing you to ask for your vote in the Democracy For America presidential straw poll. Winning this DFA poll will shock the pundits, create tremendous attention and will greatly increase volunteer support for our campaign.
The DFA community needs to know that there IS a candidate who:
organized 125 Democratic Congressmen to vote against the 2002 resolution to authorize force in Iraq,
that there IS a Democratic presidential candidate who voted against the Patriot Act,
that there IS a Democratic presidential candidate who supports withdrawing from NAFTA and the WTO,
that there IS a Democratic Presidential candidate who has called for impeachment of the Vice President AND the President.
And more importantly, there IS a Democratic candidate who stands for a NOT FOR PROFIT health care system, Medicare for All.
Please take the time now to cast your vote.
Here are three easy steps required to vote in this poll.
1) Please go to the following link:
http://DemocracyforAmerica.com/VoteKucinich
2) My picture will be added to box #1 automatically for you. Follow the Instructions and vote for 2 additional candidates by dragging and dropping the other candidates pictures into box #2 and #3. If you do not wish to vote for anyone else, simply drag and drop the picture labeled "Other ?" into box #2 and #3 and type in "Dennis Kucinich" in both boxes.
3) Once you have filled in all three of your choices a Registration box will appear below the 3 boxes. You will need to enter your Email Address, Zip Code, First and Last Name and then click on the submit button in order for your vote to be counted. That's it!
After you vote, please forward this e-mail to your friends and contacts.
A few days ago, our campaign moved into fourth place in New Hampshire with 7% according to Rasmussen Polling. This past month, two national polls, USA Today/Gallup and Zogby, have shown our campaign polling in fourth place.
The momentum is in our favor, together, we can win the Democracy for America poll.
Sincerely,
Dennis |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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rubylith
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 09:20:15 AM
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| Obama is involved in the Council on Foreign Relations...beware. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 8:57:14 PM
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Obama is involved in the Council on Foreign Relations...beware.
Why don't you say what you really mean instead of throwing out partial thoughts that have absolutely no meaning, other than sounding good.
I would say beware of believing every conspiracy theory that's out there.
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dan p.
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 10:36:44 PM
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he does that with pretty much every political figure. why get pissy over just that one instance.
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Fluffy
Administrator
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 04:50:28 AM
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Tomorrow, November 6, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) is scheduled to bring to the House floor a resolution (H. Res 333) calling for the impeachment of Dick Cheney. The privileged resolution has priority status for consideration on the House floor, and is co-sponsored by 21 other representatives.
Grassroots America, A Non Profit
November 5, 2007
Kucinich Will Impeach Cheney
Rep. Dennis Kucinich introduced H.Res. 333 in April to impeach Vice President Cheney for his pre-war lies about Iraq and for threatening an invasion of Iran. And thanks to your heroic grassroots efforts, there are 21 co-sponsors.
Speaker Pelosi blocked Judiciary Committee hearings on the bill, but Rep. Kucinich will force a floor vote on Tuesday using his right of personal privilege.
Kucinich's courageous act will put members of the House on record. Are they going to fulfill their oath of office to "defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic"? Or will they support a Vice President whose lies about Iraq cost the lives of nearly 4,000 Americans and possibly $2.4 trillion in our tax dollars - and whose lies about Iran threaten to start World War III?
Call your Representative (not Senators) and tell them to support Kucinich's resolution to impeach Dick Cheney, H.Res. 333:
800-828-0498, 800-862-5530, 800-833-6354
More actions to support Kucinich's impeachment resolution:
http://impeachcheney.org
Kucinich explains this week's vote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSbGUOOQCpU
Brave New Films Video about Cheney's impeachable offenses:
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/4987-impeach-dick-cheney
"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio
Tina Richards
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Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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PJK
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 07:21:52 AM
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I sincerely hope he gets support on that bill! I would love to see Cheney (and Bush)impeached. That is the one thing good about Israel and the Knesset. With a Parliment they can just vote out someone they don't like at any time, which is what they are going to do in the not too distant future.
If we don't get Bush and Cheney out of office soon, we will find ourselves at war with Iran and God help us then.
The Bush administration just doesn't get it. Osama Bin Laden wants us to be at war with Islam. Going into Iraq was exactly what he wanted, but going into Iran would be even better, because an attack on a theocracy would unite the Arab world. His cause is to make the entire world Islamic. Sanctions are just the beginning in Iran, just like it was in Iraq. This administration has to go! |
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rubylith
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 10:28:04 AM
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My good friend has a private meeting with Kucinich coming up. More on that later.
Obama is a shill.
Zbigniew Brzezinski supports Obama. I wonder why? All I am saying is that politics is LIKE theater. There is a ot of people bought and paid for, that are used as the "good guys" and "bad guys". Bill Clinton(murder) is GOOD! oh wait now he's bad! Bush Jr. is GOOD (9/11)...now he's bad(iraq)....let's put Hilary...then Jeb...then George P Bush(first Spanish President)....Then eventually Rick Perry (not from Journey)...and all the rest of the criminal scumfucks.
Listen, Obama seems like a nice guy, he won't win, and he offers nothing more then more of the same. He is bought and paid for. If you vote for someone involved with the CFR, Bilderberg, or Trilateral Commission, you are voting for an evil criminal. I am sorry to break the news. You got two choices this election year, Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul. Dennis wants a Department of Peace and to take your guns, Ron Paul wants to detsroy the war funding Federal Reserve and get rid of the IRS. Take your pick. But.....
The votes are controlled and counted by the same people who I was referencing as evil before. So really, your vote doesn't even matter. Hilary 2008!  |
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dan p.
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 12:23:04 PM
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the funny thing about your stance is that kucinich and paul are diametrically opposed on several important issues. the only reasoning by which your stance makes sense is the reasoning of "everyone is a sham except for these two guys." and that's fine if you believe that, but where are your interests.
look, ron paul is an old-school conservative, in that he has many classical conservative stances (smaller government, more power to states, adherence to the constitution.) in modern political language, he's a libertarian. he wouldn't want a department of peace. and he certainly wouldn't want to take your guns. kucinich wants to take your guns, he wants to add to the federal government's size. these are just the two examples i can think of off the top of my head as to why these two guys are basically opposites. you can't want one thing and also want that thing's opposite. unless you are crazy. |
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rubylith
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I am just full of shit. haha
They are completely opposite, and I strongly agree with Ron Paul's vision of smaller government as I strongly oppose Kucinich on the gun issue. However, Kucinich has been against the war way before it was cool., the same goes with Ron Paul. I am suggesting to someone who wants to government to run & fund everything, which in theory perhaps would be great, to vote for Kucinich. However, if you want small government, guns, no taxes, then vote for Ron Paul.
Either way, they are the only candidates who want peace, and I don't care who you are or what you want if you support war. I don't care if your pro-life, anti-gun, for big or small government, if you voted for the Iraq war or support it, you will not get my vote..EVER. That eliminates everyone except those two (except obviously those who are running who are not in Congress to vote).
If someone supports war, they are obviously too stupid to research anything ever. They should be spanked publically for their idiocracy.
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 3:56:39 PM
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quote:
If you vote for someone involved with the CFR, Bilderberg, or Trilateral Commission, you are voting for an evil criminal.
Wooohooo I am voting for pure f*n evil, I am voting for Obama! hahahahahhaha (in sinister evil laughter) And ya know what? I disagree 90% with your views! One thing I DO agree with however, is that it won't matter one bit who you or I vote for.
Ron Paul???? PLEEEEEASE, say it aint so! |
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| I still really want to love Obama. I'm not there yet but the more I hear him speak, the more I like what I hear, and mostly, I seem to be hearing common sense. I'm just not 100% convinced yet that I want to give him my full support and attention. |
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dan p.
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here's why i like being a nihilist:
obama. evil? good and evil are arbitrary distinctions with no intrinsic truth, meaning or value. morality is fake. is it right or wrong to take guns away from people? neither. right and wrong don't exist, not that it matters. people will kill each other anyway. it also doesn't matter that people kill each other.
i don't have to think at all. not that it matters. . . |
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Here is what happened today in the House.
CURRENT HOUSE FLOOR PROCEEDINGS
LEGISLATIVE DAY OF NOVEMBER 6, 2007
110TH CONGRESS - FIRST SESSION
H.R. 1495:
to provide for the conservation and development of water and related resources, to authorize the Secretary of the Army to construct various projects for improvements to rivers and harbors of the United States, and for other purposes
4:34 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on the question of passage of H.R. 1495, the objections of the President to the contrary, notwithstanding.
The Chair announced that the unfinished business was the veto message on H.R. 1495.
H. Res. 799:
The title of this measure is not available
4:31 P.M. -
On motion to refer Agreed to by recorded vote: 218 - 194 (Roll no. 1039).
4:22 P.M. -
The previous question on the motion to refer was Agreed to Agreed to by recorded vote: 218 - 194 (Roll no. 1038).
4:03 P.M. -
MOTION TO REFER PRIVILEGED RESOLUTION - Mr. Hoyer moved to refer the privileged resolution to the Committee on the Judiciary. Subsequently, Mr. Hoyer moved the previous question on the motion to refer and by voice vote, the Chair announced the ayes had prevailed. Mr. Kucinich demanded recorded vote on ordering the previous question on the motion to refer.
4:02 P.M. -
Mr. Hoyer moved to refer to Judiciary.
On motion to table the measure Failed by the Yeas and Nays: 162 - 251 (Roll no. 1037).
2:54 P.M. -
Mr. Hoyer moved to table the measure.
2:35 P.M. -
Considered as privileged matter.
S. 2265:
to extend the existing provisions regarding the eligibility for essential air service subsidies through fiscal year 2008
2:31 P.M. -
The title of the measure was amended. Agreed to without objection.
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.
2:21 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on S. 2265.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
Mr. Costello moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended.
H.R. 3495:
to establish a National Commission on Children and Disasters, a National Resource Center on Children and Disasters, and for other purposes
2:20 P.M. -
At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 8, rule XX, the Chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed.
2:04 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 3495.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
Ms. Norton moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended.
1:36 P.M. -
NOTIFICATION OF INTENT TO OFFER RESOLUTION - Mr. Kucinich notified the House of his intent to offer a privileged resolution.
H.R. 3866:
to reauthorize certain programs under the Small Business Act for each of fiscal years 2008 and 2009
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.
1:22 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 3866.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
Ms. Velazquez moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended.
H.R. 2884:
to assist members of the Armed Forces in obtaining United States citizenship, and for other purposes
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.
1:06 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 2884.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
Ms. Lofgren, Zoe moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended.
H.R. 1119:
to amend title 36, United States Code, to revise the congressional charter of the Military Order of the Purple Heart of the United States of America, Incorporated, to authorize associate membership in the corporation for the spouse of a recipient of the Purple Heart medal
The title of the measure was amended. Agreed to without objection.
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
1:05 P.M. -
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.
12:56 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 1119.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
Ms. Lofgren, Zoe moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended.
H. Res. 782:
expressing the sense of the House with respect to the Boston Red Sox victory in the 2007 Major League Baseball World Series
12:55 P.M. -
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by voice vote.
12:38 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H. Res. 782.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
12:37 P.M. -
Mr. Lynch moved to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution.
H. Res. 728:
expressing the support and sympathy of the House of Representatives and the people of the United States for the victims of the devastating flooding that occurred across many parts of Ohio in August 2007 and commending the communities, volunteer organizations, churches and emergency response agencies for their continuing work to restore the affected areas across the state
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by voice vote.
12:27 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H. Res. 728.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
Mr. Lynch moved to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution.
H. Res. 787:
expressing the support and sympathy of the House of Representatives and the people of the United States for the victims of the tragic fire that occurred in Ocean Isle Beach, North Carolina, on October 28, 2007
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by voice vote.
12:13 P.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H. Res. 787.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
12:12 P.M. -
Mr. Lynch moved to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution.
H.R. 3997:
to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide earnings assistance and tax relief to members of the uniformed services, volunteer firefighters, and Peace Corps volunteers, and for other purposes
12:11 P.M. -
At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 8, rule XX, the Chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed.
11:25 A.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 3997.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
11:24 A.M. -
Mr. McDermott moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended.
H. Con. Res. 162:
expressing the sense of Congress that Congress and the President should increase basic pay for members of the Armed Forces
At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 8, rule XX, the Chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed.
11:09 A.M. -
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H. Con. Res. 162.
Considered under suspension of the rules.
11:08 A.M. -
Mr. Murphy, Patrick moved to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended.
The Speaker announced that votes on suspensions, if ordered, will be postponed until the conclusion of general debate on all suspensions.
10:03 A.M. -
ONE MINUTE SPEECHES - The House proceeded with one minute speeches.
The House received a message from the Senate. The Senate passed S. 1347.
10:02 A.M. -
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - The Chair designated Mr. Gingrey to lead the Members in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
The Speaker announced approval of the Journal. Pursuant to clause 1, rule I, the Journal stands approved.
10:00 A.M. -
Today's prayer was offered by the House Chaplain, Rev. Daniel Coughlin.
The House convened, returning from a recess continuing the legislative day of November 6.
9:06 A.M. -
The Speaker announced that the House do now recess. The next meeting is scheduled for 10:00 a.m. today.
9:01 A.M. -
MORNING-HOUR DEBATES - The House proceeded with Morning-Hour Debates. At the conclusion of Morning-Hour, the House will recess until 10:00 a.m. for the start of legislative business.
9:00 A.M. -
The House convened, starting a new legislative day.
The Speaker designated the Honorable Steve Cohen to act as Speaker pro tempore for today.
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
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Arthen
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 10:36:52 PM
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"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - July 10th, 2003 R.P.
Ron Paul gets my vote now... |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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rubylith
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Posted - 11/07/2007 : 09:51:40 AM
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Awesome! RON PAUL!
Kucinich got blocked for a third time on impeachment. Sucks.
in the words of David Cross..."is America a nation of 6 year olds!?" |
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dan p.
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Posted - 11/07/2007 : 10:33:47 AM
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| i hate david cross. he's unfunny, preachy, but worst of all, he's whiny. "wah wah america hates intellectuals. wah wah larry the cable guy was mean to me in a magazine in response to something i said in front of a lot of people." he'll bitch about anti-intellectualism, but damnedest thing, i haven't heard one remotely intelligent and original thought come out of him. ever. david cross steals a lot of material from george carlin, too. |
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rubylith
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Posted - 11/07/2007 : 10:41:34 AM
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Really? I think he's hilarious. Did you watch that DVD he has. Maybe I only like him because I despise Larry the Cable Guy, and all of his shirts, lighters, beer coasters and anything with "get er dumb" on it. Not to mention the people who enjoy Larry the cable guy are incapable of critical thinking.
I love Carlin, my god he is amazing.
ok in the words of George Carlin...
"If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed." |
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Arthen
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Posted - 11/07/2007 : 12:27:33 PM
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| I like Carlin, and I like Cross when he's in a scripted role, like Arrested Development. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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dan p.
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Posted - 11/07/2007 : 12:33:23 PM
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i hate larry the cable guy, too. that's because david cross and larry the cable guy are basically the same thing.
what i hate most about larry the cable isn't that he's not funny. lots of comedians aren't funny. it isn't a fans, and it isn't the hick/southern conservative slant of his material. it's that when i see him, all i see is a cynical marketing technique. larry the cable guy isn't southern, he isn't lower-class or lowever-middle class. he's just a suburbanite from montana. his name's not even larry. it's daniel something-or-other. that by itself wouldn't bother me, except that he chose that persona because he knew it would sell to people who are rural/conservative/lower class/whatever, as well has people with shitty jobs who for some reason identify with that. it's not even about comedy. the whole joke is that he so accurately gauged the american public.
david cross is the same sort of thing. his whole act basically consists of preaching and saying "non-pc" inappropriate things. that'd be fine, except that when you rob non-pc inappropriate things of context (ie. jokes,) they're not funny. but that's not what bothers me about him, either. it's the constant pandering to self-styled "intellectuals" and elitists. but there's nothing intellectual about his routine. the time he spends making fun of religion, southerners and all of that sort of thing is time he could be spending thinking up some original material that requires thought. he isn't doing anything carlin hasn't been doing for over 20 years. you really see his true colors shine through in that letter he wrote for larry the cable guy. superior, whiny, and not all that bright.
i used to like david cross. i was in high school and thought i was better/smarter than everyone around me. he appeals to the arrogant. both larry the cable guy and david cross pick a portion of the american public, cynically strawman the group and go from there. |
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rubylith
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Posted - 11/07/2007 : 2:25:42 PM
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| Haha Dan you should be a comedian. One day me you and HRW are going to play some death metal. |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 11/07/2007 : 7:21:29 PM
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The results are in. I want to thank you for sending a loud and clear message to the business-as-usual Washington pundits. You have made it clear that the Democratic Presidential Primary is far more competitive than beltway insiders would have you believe.
With over 150,000 votes cast, the DFA Pulse Poll is the largest internet poll to date in the 2008 primary.
http://democracyforamerica.com/pulsepoll/results |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
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KevinLesko
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 12:17:01 AM
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Borat is for Obama...
quote:
I personal would like the basketball player, Barak Obamas to be Premier.”
but not for Hillary:
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I cannot believe that it possible a woman can become Premier of US and A - in Kazakhstan, we say that to give a woman power, is like to give a monkey a gun - very dangerous. We do not give monkeys guns any more in Kazakhstan ever since the Astana Zoo massacre of 2003 when Torkin the orang-utan shoot 17 schoolchildrens.
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 01:17:56 AM
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I don't hate Larry the Cable Guy, or the rest of the "Blue Collar" comedians. I just don't think they are funny. I just sit there and, "ok, didn't make sense . . . . didn't make a point . . . that's just rude . . . sigh, another redneck joke."
With David Cross, just a shrug, better than the "Blue Collar" guys, but still nothing I really think is funny.
Now George Carlin, hysterical! And the scary thing about his humor is, most of it is true. |
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dan p.
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 3:11:40 PM
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you know who i like that's on blue collar tv sometimes? ron white. he's fucking funny. he's not striving to appeal to a demographic. he's not making a spectacle of being "non-pc." he just tells stories about how much of a dick he is. you can tell he's smart, and he doesn't over-emphasize the fact that he's from texas.
carlin is a little preachy, too, but he's also hilarious. the weird thing about his act is that the content is very angry, but he doesn't deliver it that way. he's like the opposite of lewis black. i'm a huge lewis black fan because i appreciate his rage both at a comedic and philosophical level, but his content is largely topical and more mild.
also, it's not scary that a lot of carlin's jokes are true. it's sad. sad but true. you know it's sad but true. (thespian, the reference war has begun.) |
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Arthen
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| I like the image of Ron White. Drinking and smoking cigars in front of a crowd of people, not giving a shit about what they think. |
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Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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dan p.
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 4:59:20 PM
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he's drunk and arrogant. reminds me of someone.
oh yeah me. |
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Ranting Thespian
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quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
. . . (thespian, the reference war has begun.)
War is over, if you want it. |
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dan p.
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Posted - 11/09/2007 : 10:11:42 AM
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| well. now that the war is through with me, i'm waking up, i cannot see that there's not much left of me. |
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From Democracy Now!
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AMY GOODMAN: Explain exactly what you did this week.
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: The articles of impeachment that were introduced under a privileged resolution cite the Vice President's persistent lies relating to Iraq. He claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, that necessitated the US response. He claimed that Iraq somehow was connected to al-Qaeda's role in 9/11. He has been beating the drums for war against Iran. Those are the elements of the articles of impeachment that were introduced into the House this week.
JUAN GONZALEZ: And why introduce your resolution in regards to Vice President Cheney and not to President Bush?
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, certainly President Bush also has to be held accountable. However, I think that any constitutional process that begins for the removal of an official, when you have the Vice President, who led the effort to deceive this country with respect to a war against Iraq, it’s appropriate that he be dealt with first, so that you don’t create a condition where you remove the President first and then Mr. Cheney becomes his successor, and then you have to have an impeachment of two presidents consecutively.
AMY GOODMAN: Explain the leadership's position and why you chose to do what you did this week.
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: I think it’s very difficult to explain their position, because I don’t think their position is defensible. I think when you consider that our whole nation is at risk, our constitutional form of government has been undermined by lies, by illegal war, by massive debt, how can you explain the position of Democratic leaders?
I think that the American people and their response is becoming more and more powerful, and we’re seeing that there being rising discontent among Democrats in Congress about the direction that our leaders have said is not possible. I think that people want to see this administration held accountable. After all, what could be more important than having an opportunity to get to the truth of what happened in Iraq, that the war was based on lies; that over almost 4,000 of our brave young men and women who represent this country have lost their lives because of those lies; that over a million innocent Iraqis, noncombatants, civilians, have lost their lives because of those lies; that we will spend between one and two trillion dollars for this war, even borrowing money from China? And our whole domestic agenda is being capsized by this war. And the administration is preparing still to take us in another war against Iran, similarly lying about a cause for war. So what can be more important? Our country is at risk, and it’s time for our Democratic leaders to take a stand.
JUAN GONZALEZ: What do you say to those who will argue that even though they may agree with you on a lot of your concerns, that the impeachment process itself would drag out for so long that it may as well -- people should just move forward toward the elections and elect a new president?
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Right, well, you think about that. You know, the administration will be in office for at least fourteen more months. They can cause a lot of damage in that time. They’re planning to attack Iran. When you think about the defense authorization budget including a provision that would retrofit Stealth B-2 bombers so they can carry 30,000-pound bombs, which would then be dropped on nuclear research labs, creating an humanitarian and ecological disaster, “What are we waiting for?” is the question, not “Why don’t we wait for the election?”
AMY GOODMAN: The other argument that the leadership has used is that they’re concerned about losing in a landslide vote against them, that that is bad strategically, Congressman Kucinich.
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Since when does it become unfashionable to stand up for the Constitution, to stand up for our nation's laws, to stand up for international law, to stand up for moral law? Since when does it become inconvenient to take a stand that would help secure our democracy once again? I mean, we’re really -- it’s all at risk right now, and it’s time that the Democratic leadership exerted an effective influence. As a coequal branch of government, Congress cannot stand by and let this administration continue to undermine our Constitution. That’s why I introduced those articles of impeachment.
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Fluffy
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http://www.kucinichtv.com/
Watching CNN tonight you'll be at the debate, but you're not really at the debate. If you want to feel as though your voice and opinion is actually at the debate, then join us for a Virtual House Party hosted by KucinichTV where the dedicated members of our campaign team and esteemed YouTube host Davis Fleetwood will take your questions.
With just one mouse click, we'll do our best to draw you where you really need to go - as far as we can possibly bring you! Not everyone can be at the debate, but with KucinichTV and our Virtual House party, everyone will feel as though they are there together even from your own living room KucinichTV.com starts at 10:00 EST, 7:00 PST tonight after the debate on CNN.
KucinichTV is an exciting new tool in guerilla-reporting that gives you an alternative to the mainstream media. We can’t do it alone though. As we develop our technology to reach out to more and more people, we are realizing that it is becoming a very expensive endeavor. Please make a contribution today if you want to support KucinichTV so we can buy more cameras and web-broadcast materials.
The Virtual House Party hosted by KucinichTV is a free event, but like all of the house parties we have had so far, it is important that we use this opportunity to fundraise. Use this link so we can track the contributions you make to support the Virtual House Party hosted by KucinichTV.
Thanks again, and we'll see you on KucinichTV.com tonight!
Strength through Peace,
The Kucinich Campaign
http://www.kucinichtv.com/
Another worthy of checking out that you will be seeing more of in the not too distant future:
http://youtube.com/user/WHYNotNews
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www.whynotnews.org |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Robin
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USA
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 6:27:36 PM
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| Kewl! Thanks as always Fluffy. Peace, Robin |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 7:03:12 PM
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Who I would vote for in order
1- Feingold (but he's not running, damn it!)
2- Kucinich
3- Edwards
4- Obama
I don't hate Hillary, but I don't love her. What scared me if she gets the democratic presidential ticket, is the many democrats and swing voters who do NOT like her, might swing towards the even more horrid republican ticket.
I would only vote fore Edwards or Obama, because they aren't that bad, and wouldn't be bad presidents/vice presidents. I don't think they will be what we really need, but won't be a disgrace and fucking sadistic morons like we have right now.
Feingold is the only person in the government who I really trust 100%. Kucinich is good as well, I would trust him about 90%. For Edwards and Obama, 70%. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
Nick
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 11/28/2007 : 11:46:51 AM
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Dennis Kucinich has announced his first pick for running mate, and it is (dramatic pause…..):
Call it the liberal-libertarian ticket, where left meets right and Democrat Dennis Kucinich picks Republican Ron Paul to be his vice president.
Kucinich, the Cleveland congressman running in a longshot bid to become president, suggested it himself today.
“I’m thinking about Ron Paul” as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together “to balance the energies in this country,” Kucinich said.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/27/b...san-bedfellows/ |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2007 : 12:50:50 PM
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IN DEFENSE OF DEMOCRACY
We all know that something is very wrong in our country. The Rule of Law, the Balance of Powers, and our Constitutionally guaranteed Civil Liberties have been under sustained assault by an Administration that is brazen and unrepentant in its abuses of our rights and our founding principles. And, to make matters worse, the Democratic leadership of the House and the Senate have failed to exercise the Constitutional authority granted to Congress to stop those abuses and hold violators accountable.
The results? The powers of the Executive Branch have gone unchecked and its policies unchallenged. The Congress and the American people were deceived into an illegal and immoral war in Iraq, and those same deceptions and manipulations are being used to justify a new war in Iran. The government is spying on its own citizens, ignoring judicial protections and due process, denying the right of habeas corpus, and refusing to abide by international laws, treaties, and principles.
Our nation faces a crisis, yet its leaders, and the candidates campaigning for the Presidency, refuse to acknowledge or address it in any substantive way.
That's why it's time for: A DIALOGUE FOR DEMOCRACY.
This Thursday, November 29, Democratic Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich will host an unprecedented "Dialogue for Democracy" forum that will be streamed LIVE on the Internet at KucinichTV.com. Along with invited guests, Dennis will bring this crisis to the attention of the nation and the world so we can better understand what's wrong, and, more importantly, what we can do about it. The first segment of the LIVE broadcast begins at 11 a.m. and continues until 1 p.m. The LIVE forum will resume at 5 p.m. and end at 9:30 p.m.
AN INVITATION TO SPEAK OUT! The Kucinich campaign is also extending this open invitation to representatives of interested organizations and concerned citizens to participate in this "Dialogue" by sending an email to dialogue@kucinich.us. Tell us who you are, the issues you want discussed, and whether you or your organization would like to participate directly during any of the LIVE broadcasts.
OUR DEMOCRACY - YOUR DEMOCRACY - is at stake in this election. And there's something you can do about it. You can stand with the candidate who stands with you. The one candidate who isn't afraid to speak the truth, to give honest answers, and to lay out real solutions that don't protect the status quo. If that's the kind of leader you want, someone who will protect and defend YOUR interests and rights under the Constitution, consider making a contribution to the Kucinich for President Campaign today. It's your way of ensuring that your voice will continue to be heard throughout the debates, the primaries, and the caucuses.
Defend the Constitution
The Kucinich Campaign
http://www.dennis4president.com
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Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2007 : 03:54:24 AM
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Try this little quiz about "the issues" and where you stand on them and which candidate your answers align you with. Interesting to see if it's actually who you think you might be supporting. ENJOY!!
http://www.dehp.net/candidate/ |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2007 : 04:18:24 AM
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| looks like Kucinich is my man, by a long shot, lol. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
Nick
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gnome44
Yak Addict
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Posted - 12/22/2007 : 10:34:14 AM
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| Mine wasn't a surprise... |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 11:59:27 AM
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| So did Kucinich drop out of the race? No mention of him in Iowa or New Hampshire or for the debates????? |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2008 : 7:25:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by PJK
So did Kucinich drop out of the race? No mention of him in Iowa or New Hampshire or for the debates?????
No I believe there is a rally for him tonight in Massachusetts. He just plain isn't being reported on and has not been invited to some debates. That's our free press in action. So he's still around just not with a lot of $ last I heard. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 01/06/2008 : 6:59:39 PM
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| So evidently Kucinich has put his support behind Obama I believe and while I think he plans on being around throughout the campaign he has accepted that he will not get the nomination. Nothing he could do. He hasn't been taken seriously by the press since day one. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 01:58:55 AM
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Screw the press. Kucinich needs to get to where people tend to watch. The late night talk shows. He should be pressing to get on the Daily Show and even Colbert Report more. Even taking tons of jabs at Letterman, Ferguson, O'Brien, and even (argh) Leno. Now I know about the strike, but this election has been going on for a while. Plus, it doesn't take money to get people to go door to door. Even himself, work his ass off.
All I see is people raising campaign money for ads and shit, when people don't give a shit about stupid ads anymore.
Elections seem to be all about advertising, and no more individuals.
One thing I LOVE about Feingold, he goes around the state all the fucking time in what he calls Listening Tours. Having anyone come to him, he'll talk and he will listen to people, even people that disagree with him. He fucking gets to the people, and look at him, it works!!
Kucinich has good ideas and everything, I am not knocking him. I just don't see him doing all that he can to get his name out there to people. Screw the debates, it's like they are just a stage show and people just repeat themselves over and over. Get the fuck out there.
Sorry, just this stuff is just getting to my nerves. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
Nick
-the Ranting Thespian |
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Kucinich for President 2008
