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Fluffy
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 Posted - 07/02/2008 : 05:21:08 AM
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I am guessing most here will be nauseous if you read the entire thread. SCARY!!(sinister LOL):
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223628 |
Peace & Keep the Faith
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"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 08:16:57 AM
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God, these happen every week.
It's funny, on the notion of Phish/DMB things, I thought that Page McConnell would make an excellent Butch Taylor replacement. |
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Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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gnome44
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 09:33:06 AM
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jsemon2
Yak Addict
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 3:20:07 PM
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don't even read and shit/crap/dung/etc that comes for any/all dmb forums. they sit and shit on TIm as an artist by himself but praise him when he plays with dmb. i personally do not like it and avoid forums like this at all cost.
i like listening to dmb, and i like listening to tr. but i do not associate the two together and that's all the dmb online forum base wants, for the two join and become one. |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 6:00:18 PM
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 11:19:33 PM
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Originally posted by jsemon2
don't even read and shit/crap/dung/etc that comes for any/all dmb forums. they sit and shit on TIm as an artist by himself but praise him when he plays with dmb. i personally do not like it and avoid forums like this at all cost.
i like listening to dmb, and i like listening to tr. but i do not associate the two together and that's all the dmb online forum base wants, for the two join and become one.
1.) are they talking about trey playing guitar on or off heroin
2.) why aren't people telling these dumb fucks whats up, you can register, you can post, you can explain calmly why they're fucking idiots. no one is doing anything to change it so it will forever be. blend in with them, you obviously were affiliated to dmb at some point in your life to "understand" what kind of people they are or whatever.
you're generalizing like a mother fucker. for example I was a huge dmb fan for a few years(after the last show it rekindled the flame). I saw Tim play an acoustic show in ann arbor years and years ago. I kind of fell off the DMB bandwagon so to speak, which was right around when TIM stopped recording records with them, Saw them at bonnaroo rolling my balls off and TIM was making the energy sore, TIM ripped his shirt off, blasting feedback for 80,000people. Why Wouldn't He WANT TO INSPIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE AND WAITING. do you blame dmb fans for wanting Tim to take these people's favorite band to another level? his parts were integral to those first three most classic albums. He is an extremely strong accompanying player. he's great at making unique songs from all over the spectrum. But the music created on the stage with Tim and the rest of those 5 or 6 guys is FAR greater and FAR more powerful than any of the TR/TR3 solo stuff that I've watched or heard on tape. I like his work, I am not bashing because he is a great musician. Why wouldn't you want to reach millions of people. It's more annoying seeing you, the supposedly intelligent ones sitting on your asses not spreading awareness of what up. whether it be just a stupid subjective argument like tim vs trey or dicks vs vaginas, tell them what's up if you're so smart. haven't seen it once.
things can be changed the point just has to be clear and practical... who knows. if you could change the mentality of these 16+ year-old dmb fans in the next couple years by the time they're adults they might not be complete idiots.
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Fluffy
Administrator
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 06:32:18 AM
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And to balance it out there are ones like this:
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223945 |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2008 : 09:17:29 AM
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Originally posted by greengrow
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Originally posted by jsemon2
don't even read and shit/crap/dung/etc that comes for any/all dmb forums. they sit and shit on TIm as an artist by himself but praise him when he plays with dmb. i personally do not like it and avoid forums like this at all cost.
i like listening to dmb, and i like listening to tr. but i do not associate the two together and that's all the dmb online forum base wants, for the two join and become one.
1.) are they talking about trey playing guitar on or off heroin
2.) why aren't people telling these dumb fucks whats up, you can register, you can post, you can explain calmly why they're fucking idiots. no one is doing anything to change it so it will forever be. blend in with them, you obviously were affiliated to dmb at some point in your life to "understand" what kind of people they are or whatever.
you're generalizing like a mother fucker. for example I was a huge dmb fan for a few years(after the last show it rekindled the flame). I saw Tim play an acoustic show in ann arbor years and years ago. I kind of fell off the DMB bandwagon so to speak, which was right around when TIM stopped recording records with them, Saw them at bonnaroo rolling my balls off and TIM was making the energy sore, TIM ripped his shirt off, blasting feedback for 80,000people. Why Wouldn't He WANT TO INSPIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE AND WAITING. do you blame dmb fans for wanting Tim to take these people's favorite band to another level? his parts were integral to those first three most classic albums. He is an extremely strong accompanying player. he's great at making unique songs from all over the spectrum. But the music created on the stage with Tim and the rest of those 5 or 6 guys is FAR greater and FAR more powerful than any of the TR/TR3 solo stuff that I've watched or heard on tape. I like his work, I am not bashing because he is a great musician. Why wouldn't you want to reach millions of people. It's more annoying seeing you, the supposedly intelligent ones sitting on your asses not spreading awareness of what up. whether it be just a stupid subjective argument like tim vs trey or dicks vs vaginas, tell them what's up if you're so smart. haven't seen it once.
things can be changed the point just has to be clear and practical... who knows. if you could change the mentality of these 16+ year-old dmb fans in the next couple years by the time they're adults they might not be complete idiots.
Alot of us have tried such tactics in the past, bubba. I myself had accounts with nancies.org and Antsmarching, yet it only gets you trouble. And honestly I've never met anyone or heard of anyone changing an opinion because of what someone said on an internet message board. It's better to read it over and forget about it. The ones that want to know more about Tim as an artist and musician come around here and then we provide info. We used to go on missions and proselytize but not much any more. The Latter Day Saints have that market cornered.
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 2:03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Arthen
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Originally posted by greengrow
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Originally posted by jsemon2
don't even read and shit/crap/dung/etc that comes for any/all dmb forums. they sit and shit on TIm as an artist by himself but praise him when he plays with dmb. i personally do not like it and avoid forums like this at all cost.
i like listening to dmb, and i like listening to tr. but i do not associate the two together and that's all the dmb online forum base wants, for the two join and become one.
1.) are they talking about trey playing guitar on or off heroin
2.) why aren't people telling these dumb fucks whats up, you can register, you can post, you can explain calmly why they're fucking idiots. no one is doing anything to change it so it will forever be. blend in with them, you obviously were affiliated to dmb at some point in your life to "understand" what kind of people they are or whatever.
you're generalizing like a mother fucker. for example I was a huge dmb fan for a few years(after the last show it rekindled the flame). I saw Tim play an acoustic show in ann arbor years and years ago. I kind of fell off the DMB bandwagon so to speak, which was right around when TIM stopped recording records with them, Saw them at bonnaroo rolling my balls off and TIM was making the energy sore, TIM ripped his shirt off, blasting feedback for 80,000people. Why Wouldn't He WANT TO INSPIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE AND WAITING. do you blame dmb fans for wanting Tim to take these people's favorite band to another level? his parts were integral to those first three most classic albums. He is an extremely strong accompanying player. he's great at making unique songs from all over the spectrum. But the music created on the stage with Tim and the rest of those 5 or 6 guys is FAR greater and FAR more powerful than any of the TR/TR3 solo stuff that I've watched or heard on tape. I like his work, I am not bashing because he is a great musician. Why wouldn't you want to reach millions of people. It's more annoying seeing you, the supposedly intelligent ones sitting on your asses not spreading awareness of what up. whether it be just a stupid subjective argument like tim vs trey or dicks vs vaginas, tell them what's up if you're so smart. haven't seen it once.
things can be changed the point just has to be clear and practical... who knows. if you could change the mentality of these 16+ year-old dmb fans in the next couple years by the time they're adults they might not be complete idiots.
Alot of us have tried such tactics in the past, bubba. I myself had accounts with nancies.org and Antsmarching, yet it only gets you trouble. And honestly I've never met anyone or heard of anyone changing an opinion because of what someone said on an internet message board. It's better to read it over and forget about it. The ones that want to know more about Tim as an artist and musician come around here and then we provide info. We used to go on missions and proselytize but not much any more. The Latter Day Saints have that market cornered.
my names not bubba it's GOD. I know what you're saying I got banned from thesedayscontinue.org or whatever the fuck it's called for asking that dude DMB fans stop yelling "I love you dave" at concerts because it's fucking gay. but at the same time I still got other points across and some people woke up. things can change especially considering how stupid a lot of dmb fans really are about music. who knows I think intelligence will always win over ignorance. gotta spread that awareness and never stop. or just continue to do what you're apparently doing, which is pussing out hardcore.
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dan p.
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 3:03:22 PM
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Originally posted by greengrow
1.) are they talking about trey playing guitar on or off heroin
2.) why aren't people telling these dumb fucks whats up, you can register, you can post, you can explain calmly why they're fucking idiots. no one is doing anything to change it so it will forever be. blend in with them, you obviously were affiliated to dmb at some point in your life to "understand" what kind of people they are or whatever.
you're generalizing like a mother fucker. for example I was a huge dmb fan for a few years(after the last show it rekindled the flame). I saw Tim play an acoustic show in ann arbor years and years ago. I kind of fell off the DMB bandwagon so to speak, which was right around when TIM stopped recording records with them, Saw them at bonnaroo rolling my balls off and TIM was making the energy sore, TIM ripped his shirt off, blasting feedback for 80,000people. Why Wouldn't He WANT TO INSPIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE AND WAITING. do you blame dmb fans for wanting Tim to take these people's favorite band to another level? his parts were integral to those first three most classic albums. He is an extremely strong accompanying player. he's great at making unique songs from all over the spectrum. But the music created on the stage with Tim and the rest of those 5 or 6 guys is FAR greater and FAR more powerful than any of the TR/TR3 solo stuff that I've watched or heard on tape. I like his work, I am not bashing because he is a great musician. Why wouldn't you want to reach millions of people. It's more annoying seeing you, the supposedly intelligent ones sitting on your asses not spreading awareness of what up. whether it be just a stupid subjective argument like tim vs trey or dicks vs vaginas, tell them what's up if you're so smart. haven't seen it once.
things can be changed the point just has to be clear and practical... who knows. if you could change the mentality of these 16+ year-old dmb fans in the next couple years by the time they're adults they might not be complete idiots.
some clear and practical points for you, greengrow.
1. your assertion that tim reynolds' music is far more powerful with dmb is largely subjective. but if you want to go down this path, fine. cite examples, specifically in the music, of what makes it more powerful. you should also define what you mean by powerful. engaging in an argument and not defining your terms is bizzare.
2. the only one making the claim that "we," meaning tim reynolds fans i assume, are intelligent, is you and the other dmb fans who wander into these forums to yell at the members here. ascribing traits to a whole group of people and then yelling at them for not living up to the accompanying standards is stupid, and it marks you as silly.
2a) ascribing traits to a whole group is "generalizing like a mother fucker." try not calling someone out on that and then turning around and doing it.
3. the argument that tim reynolds fans don't want him taking dmb "to another level" appears nowhere within the context of this debate. neither does anything regarding heroine, unless the links go to different threads now. you seem to be off point. the argument here is which form of his music is better: with dmb or by himself? the argument on the ants like in the original post seems to be who would be better on tour. it's easier to discuss when you're not going off in a few different directions that don't seem connected.
4. several of these board members have tried communicating with the members of other dmb forums about their opinions and attitudes on a number of occasions. if you've never seen that, perhaps your new to this whole thing? familiarize yourself with the situation before you comment on it. it's been happening for years, and it never gets less stupid and futile.
5. subjective topics do not breed meaningful debate. it is asinine to argue something subjective on subjective terms.
6. calling yourself god on the internet doesn't make your e-penis, or your real one, any bigger. |
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gnome44
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 3:22:36 PM
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 4:07:41 PM
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I post on the DMB forums from time to time, usually when the bullshit about Tim gets so deep that I actually try to set the record straight, usually to no avail.
Generally, any time someone attempts to interject logic into a thread on a site like antsmarching it is basically ignored or they post some stupid retort usually including their stupid Jack Bauer icon.
One great example of this is that I've tried to dispel the "Boyd/Carter/Stefan/Dave/Leroi/Rashawn/Dave's mom/etc. doesn't like or had a falling out with Tim" rumor. The truth of that (that there was no such falling out and no DMB member, that I know of or that has been officially stated by Fluffy, has a problem with Tim) escapes them and they either ignore it or just continue to perpetuate the myth that it is true. The reason for that is most likely that it adds to the mystique that is Dave Matthews Band for them. They want their to be these little inside nuggets of info to which they are privy. It makes them feel important.
As I said, I've mentioned more than once that no member of DMB has any sort of problem with Tim but they all say things regularly like "Yeah since Carter (or insert DMB member here) asked Dave to not have Tim come back since he overpowers everyone/steps on everyone's toes" I've even heard them say things like Carter or whatever other member doesn't like Tim around because Dave is always on drugs when he's around Tim.
The same shit went on when Tim and Dave didn't play acoustic shows for a long stretch. There were CONSTANT rumors about a falling out between the two and no amount of actual facts did anything to convince anyone.
But like I said, I think for them that kind of shit just adds to the mystique of the band. Just like the "lost" album The Lilywhite Sessions where it seems more tracks keep popping up out of no where. Or the mysterious song "Machead" that was to be on Before These Crowded Streets.
I guess you can't generally say that all their fans are giant douches. I've actually met some pretty cool people at their shows. But the douches are the ones that stick out in your mind because they are usually the loudest, whether it's at a show or on a message board.
All I know is, 2008's tour has sounded the best I've heard this band sound in a LONG time and I don't think it is any coincidence that Tim is along for the ride. |
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jsemon2
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 5:41:40 PM
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 6:36:54 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
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Originally posted by greengrow
1.) are they talking about trey playing guitar on or off heroin
2.) why aren't people telling these dumb fucks whats up, you can register, you can post, you can explain calmly why they're fucking idiots. no one is doing anything to change it so it will forever be. blend in with them, you obviously were affiliated to dmb at some point in your life to "understand" what kind of people they are or whatever.
you're generalizing like a mother fucker. for example I was a huge dmb fan for a few years(after the last show it rekindled the flame). I saw Tim play an acoustic show in ann arbor years and years ago. I kind of fell off the DMB bandwagon so to speak, which was right around when TIM stopped recording records with them, Saw them at bonnaroo rolling my balls off and TIM was making the energy sore, TIM ripped his shirt off, blasting feedback for 80,000people. Why Wouldn't He WANT TO INSPIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE AND WAITING. do you blame dmb fans for wanting Tim to take these people's favorite band to another level? his parts were integral to those first three most classic albums. He is an extremely strong accompanying player. he's great at making unique songs from all over the spectrum. But the music created on the stage with Tim and the rest of those 5 or 6 guys is FAR greater and FAR more powerful than any of the TR/TR3 solo stuff that I've watched or heard on tape. I like his work, I am not bashing because he is a great musician. Why wouldn't you want to reach millions of people. It's more annoying seeing you, the supposedly intelligent ones sitting on your asses not spreading awareness of what up. whether it be just a stupid subjective argument like tim vs trey or dicks vs vaginas, tell them what's up if you're so smart. haven't seen it once.
things can be changed the point just has to be clear and practical... who knows. if you could change the mentality of these 16+ year-old dmb fans in the next couple years by the time they're adults they might not be complete idiots.
some clear and practical points for you, greengrow.
1. your assertion that tim reynolds' music is far more powerful with dmb is largely subjective. but if you want to go down this path, fine. cite examples, specifically in the music, of what makes it more powerful. you should also define what you mean by powerful. engaging in an argument and not defining your terms is bizzare.
2. the only one making the claim that "we," meaning tim reynolds fans i assume, are intelligent, is you and the other dmb fans who wander into these forums to yell at the members here. ascribing traits to a whole group of people and then yelling at them for not living up to the accompanying standards is stupid, and it marks you as silly.
2a) ascribing traits to a whole group is "generalizing like a mother fucker." try not calling someone out on that and then turning around and doing it.
3. the argument that tim reynolds fans don't want him taking dmb "to another level" appears nowhere within the context of this debate. neither does anything regarding heroine, unless the links go to different threads now. you seem to be off point. the argument here is which form of his music is better: with dmb or by himself? the argument on the ants like in the original post seems to be who would be better on tour. it's easier to discuss when you're not going off in a few different directions that don't seem connected.
4. several of these board members have tried communicating with the members of other dmb forums about their opinions and attitudes on a number of occasions. if you've never seen that, perhaps your new to this whole thing? familiarize yourself with the situation before you comment on it. it's been happening for years, and it never gets less stupid and futile.
5. subjective topics do not breed meaningful debate. it is asinine to argue something subjective on subjective terms.
6. calling yourself god on the internet doesn't make your e-penis, or your real one, any bigger.
well let's see why you're a fucking idiot...
1.) Yes, I agree music is subjective. But I do not agree all musicians and the music they make is equal in quality. The Fact that makes me think this to be true is each specific persons ability to play their instrument and get across whatever musical thought that is in their head. or in some cases the musical ideas they didn't know they had in their head. By "Powerful" which is just one of many adjectives I could have used, I mean the ability to simultaneously connect to people on an emotional level within a shared moment of time.
Differences between the two:
a.)Tim Leading a Band at small clubs
b.)Tim Accompanying a huge band as Lead Guitarist for thousands of people.
in category a.) Tim gets to do what he wants, play what he wants and be extremely creative 24/7. if he wants to spend a summer with his family he can. makes probably far less money. is exposed to far less listeners. leads a probably fairly quite, chill life. that appears to be his thing. but as a musician I don't get it.
part b.) if he was in the Dave Matthews Band within a couple of tours he would be renowned as a critically acclaimed guitar player. have huge exposure to the entire world. Connect to people who would have never ever gotten a chance to hear him. he would make a shitload more money. he would get to hang out with way more bad ass musicians than he does now probably. still playing his own parts that he's written or imrpovs. still adding himself to the band noticeably enough make people jizz all over. yet at the same time letting the lyrics and vocals of some pretty great tunes lead the way.
a.) fade with the rest of us
b.) possibly be one of the biggest influences to american music in a while and make a good band fucking great taking them to who knows where.
b.) sounds more exciting then playing bars for 50 people who want to hear stream. or playing shows where not many people know you and you're stuck playing for regulars who probably don't give a fuck even if he was in the middle of doing something amazing.
continuing how is it more powerful as an example? I already gave you one. Bonnaroo 04 his energy was flowing through the crowd. yeah I could have been totally fucked up but that's how it seemed. Tim and Dave have serious fucking musical chemistry. like the type of shit that doesn't happened often. Dave's guitar parts are kind of weird and Tim makes them weirder. I don't get the hate for the combo.
terms are for pussies.
2.) I was only responding to this thread and the people who were taking part in the conversation. if you feel part of that well eat it. eat it niice and slow.
2a.) Dude want some more meth?
3.) I'm on point as a mother fucker. Heroin has everything to do with Tim vs. Trey. When Trey was into H bad his playing SUCKED balls. but it's hard to deny some of the masterpieces he's made (YEM, David Bowie, The Lizards, etc) it's good music. but he became sloppy. it depends what era you're comparing the two was my only point and it was sort of a bad joke. Tim has been ripping it pretty good on the classics like #41 and whatever and you feel the crowd elevate. he's taken a bunch of different tunes in new directions.
his acoustic stuff is good
TR3 is good
but it doesn't give me that feeling as often as those huge rock show moments. I think his acoustic solo work specifically is extremely awesome and inventive. But it's not something I want to go see all the time or multiple time's a tour.
4.) I'm familiar as hell with the dave matthews band community and what comes along with it. fuck antsmarching.org and nancies most of those people are like 16-18 and have no idea what they're talking about, nor have they been exposed to any sort of good music outside of DMB and John Mayer. that is the starting place, getting kids to use drugs again, get fucked up and rock out at shows. dose people,etc. you know old school stuff. how can you not own these people in conversations about music. even being a "subjective" topic there is still music that is better than other music. I would rather listen to dmb than say a classic rock cover band in a bar. and I would bet if they each had a month to put together a show dmb's music would be better. so I mean what the fuck is your point? just because there are infinite possibilities of what is "beautiful" doesn't mean if a guy sees a fucking turd and licks it's fucking beautiful just because he thinks so. that's bullshit, that is gross. "but it's subjective wah wah". (that last point is pretty stupid but is kind of awesome too)
5.) It's stupid to talk about music and whether it sucks or not? okay whatever, I'm going to go pop on some bsb.
6.) I am Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior. Deal with it. and my cock is continually getting large, day by day, inch by inch. soon it's going to be long enough to thwack you in the face.
BONUS
7.) I just pwn'd your fucking lyfe. |
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Andre_Brazil
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 8:37:15 PM
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 9:06:21 PM
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As much as I LOVE DMB for their music, their personalities, their environmental activism, their grass roots, their lack of egos, and how they are unlike any other band in the world . . .
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 9:14:02 PM
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I yelled shut up @ detroit at a bunch of people when they started a "lets go red wings" chant. fucking retarded. I agree their fans suck for the most part. the lawn was kind of nice where I was at though, hot chicks in front, hot chicks to my left, and a cool dude behind blazin down. from where I was the vibe was pretty good.
the one thing that made me kind of rethink why the fanbase sucks was that show "the paper" on mtv. I was scrolling through shows and that show came on and the people from "the paper" were at the concert being douchebags. then it shows them not paying attention or giving a fuck until "everyday" comes on and they say "finally a good song". that shits pathetic. people just aren't into music for music anymore and if the people passionate about the art of it puss out wtf. fuck the yuppies. |
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 9:34:43 PM
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What scares me with people in antsmarching.com is the fact tha Leroi Moore had a serious accident and a lot of jerks starts to celebrate the fact tha Jeff Coffin will play in his place... Jesus that is tragic.
what happened to LeRoi? all I've heard so far is he's got a punctured lung. but how did he get it? golfing? hitting the bong too hard? fucking sucks so bad I hope he recovers well enough to be able to play without it being painful, fucking crazy, of all things for a sax and wind instrument player to hurt on tour. their lungs. hope he slips the doctors an extra something something to make recovery a little faster. I'm not even seeing anymore shows this tour but I don't know something about the purity of the people really just makes me think they totally deserve it and the fuck heads should be awakened at every opportunity. I don't know I'm a fuck head. |
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 9:52:01 PM
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it sounds cheesy and kind of dumb but I'm stoned as fuuck.
one idea would be get a little group of people together, some people who beat people's ass, but mostly chicks. have the flyers read:
How To Not Be a DoucheBag Tonight:
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and filter them throughout the lawn. literally just be like "here. here.here.here.here.here." and keep walking, most will end up on the ground for the staff to pick up, but some will be left for douchebags to pick up. if the right solutions to how they can stop being douchebages is listed on paper for them to read, maybe they'll finally understand. then through that human evolutionary factor of diffusion all the douchebags with spread the vibe to their other douchebag friends. that's a big factor of these outdoor shows it seems like, getting the lawn down. the yelling from the back of the lawn moving forward over the people in the pavilion causes the tidal wave effect of an eruption of applause. that stuff is awesome. but yeah, my solution is having hot chicks pass out flyers telling people the proper etiquette for a show aka how to not be a fucking douchebag and respect people around you. then world peace would start and we could play in the flowers. |
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gnome44
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 10:53:22 PM
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...greengrow, you said that you didn't understand why Tim might be content making music in front of relatively small crowds of people. Granted, I couldn't finish reading your post...so maybe you expounded further on your comment. For the sake of my post, I'll assume that you didn't.
Ask any musician...they don't create/perform music for anyone but themselves. It just so happens that he can make money doing it in front of people. Granted, there's an energy with performing in front of a live crowd...
...but if Tim Reynolds was a complete nobody living in a dumpster in South Dakota he'd still be playing guitar every day. It's not a choice...it's not an option...it's as necessary as breathing for a true artist.
If he can tag along with DMB and make some dough...then cool. If not...whatever. Tim made music for years and years without any real "fame" or "exposure". But he kept going.
Are you saying that unless you can play in front of thousands of lame, drunk college kids with white hats and popped colors then it's not worth doing? |
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dan p.
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 10:55:01 PM
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Originally posted by greengrow
unfounded elitism and drugged out internet tough guy rage.
i know you're trying to have a rational debate, butyou're doing it wrong. let's get some preliminaries out of they way. i'm part of this conversation because for two reasons: first, this is an open forum and i am a member of it. as such, i can take part in whatever thread i please. second, i'm a part of it because i want to be, regardless of what you think about it. you can try to petition one of the mods to remove me, but i don't really see that happening. in your terms, "eat it nice and slow." you're not tough, no one's impressed.
1. your assertion seems to be that music is only good/valid/worthwhile if a lot of people hear it and love it. as a musician, you say, "you don't get it." as a musician (by which i mean a classically trained musician with a degree) i do get it. so where does that leave us? your need for attention is not shared by everyone, and fanbase has no bearing the quality of music. turns out music sounds the same regardless of how many people hear it. i agree that it'd be for the best if tim's music got out as much as possible, and i agree dmb is better with tim, but it isn't critical to tim's music as a whole.
2. you are the only one talking about trey on heroine. i agree he's not as good on heroine. no one is talking about or contesting this point.
3. "just because there are infinite possibilities of what is "beautiful" doesn't mean if a guy sees a fucking turd and licks it's fucking beautiful just because he thinks so." actually, that's exactly what that means. your conclusion does not follow your premise. think about it, if there are [i]infinite[\i] possibilities for something to be beautiful, then all things are beautiful, since "infinite" encompasses all things by definition. also, this is what's called a type of "strawman argument."
4. you can listen to bsb if you want. it's your prerogative to have bad taste in music. i'm not sure what point you're trying to prove.
5. i agree some music is better than others when set up to objective criteria, my training has taught me this, but everything you're saying boils down to "i like this" "i would rather listen to this" and "this sucks while this is very good." these are not valid arguments, they are your preferences. provide reasons why x music is better than y music. what about the music you like makes it better than music you don't like, e.i tim v. trey. say more about bonaroo '04. i'll ignore the fact that drugs were alterning your perceptions for the sake of reasoned debate.
6. terms are not for pussies. they are for people with at least two brain cell to rub together to communicate.
in summation: telling me about your tastes is not a defense of your stance and it doesn't prove anything. you seem to be treating your tastes as "right" and the tastes of others as "wrong." if you can't see the problem with that, then we're probably done here.
also, i spoke in 1337 when i was 14, too. you're either in high school or you never grew up. unless 6 and 7 were a feeble attempt at humor. there's nothing funny about mushroom stamps. |
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greengrow
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 11:57:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by gnome44
...greengrow, you said that you didn't understand why Tim might be content making music in front of relatively small crowds of people. Granted, I couldn't finish reading your post...so maybe you expounded further on your comment. For the sake of my post, I'll assume that you didn't.
Ask any musician...they don't create/perform music for anyone but themselves. It just so happens that he can make money doing it in front of people. Granted, there's an energy with performing in front of a live crowd...
...but if Tim Reynolds was a complete nobody living in a dumpster in South Dakota he'd still be playing guitar every day. It's not a choice...it's not an option...it's as necessary as breathing for a true artist.
If he can tag along with DMB and make some dough...then cool. If not...whatever. Tim made music for years and years without any real "fame" or "exposure". But he kept going.
Are you saying that unless you can play in front of thousands of lame, drunk college kids with white hats and popped colors then it's not worth doing?
No fucking shit, Tim Reynolds is the epitome of an artist. he's been proving it for years blah blah yadda yadda yadda. Plenty of great musicians do tons of projects while maintain their true love. I'd like to continue this further but snooty theory boy down there wants to fight. |
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 12:07:16 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
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Originally posted by greengrow
unfounded elitism and drugged out internet tough guy rage.
i know you're trying to have a rational debate, butyou're doing it wrong. let's get some preliminaries out of they way. i'm part of this conversation because for two reasons: first, this is an open forum and i am a member of it. as such, i can take part in whatever thread i please. second, i'm a part of it because i want to be, regardless of what you think about it. you can try to petition one of the mods to remove me, but i don't really see that happening. in your terms, "eat it nice and slow." you're not tough, no one's impressed.
1. your assertion seems to be that music is only good/valid/worthwhile if a lot of people hear it and love it. as a musician, you say, "you don't get it." as a musician (by which i mean a classically trained musician with a degree) i do get it. so where does that leave us? your need for attention is not shared by everyone, and fanbase has no bearing the quality of music. turns out music sounds the same regardless of how many people hear it. i agree that it'd be for the best if tim's music got out as much as possible, and i agree dmb is better with tim, but it isn't critical to tim's music as a whole.
2. you are the only one talking about trey on heroine. i agree he's not as good on heroine. no one is talking about or contesting this point.
3. "just because there are infinite possibilities of what is "beautiful" doesn't mean if a guy sees a fucking turd and licks it's fucking beautiful just because he thinks so." actually, that's exactly what that means. your conclusion does not follow your premise. think about it, if there are [i]infinite[\i] possibilities for something to be beautiful, then all things are beautiful, since "infinite" encompasses all things by definition. also, this is what's called a type of "strawman argument."
4. you can listen to bsb if you want. it's your prerogative to have bad taste in music. i'm not sure what point you're trying to prove.
5. i agree some music is better than others when set up to objective criteria, my training has taught me this, but everything you're saying boils down to "i like this" "i would rather listen to this" and "this sucks while this is very good." these are not valid arguments, they are your preferences. provide reasons why x music is better than y music. what about the music you like makes it better than music you don't like, e.i tim v. trey. say more about bonaroo '04. i'll ignore the fact that drugs were alterning your perceptions for the sake of reasoned debate.
6. terms are not for pussies. they are for people with at least two brain cell to rub together to communicate.
in summation: telling me about your tastes is not a defense of your stance and it doesn't prove anything. you seem to be treating your tastes as "right" and the tastes of others as "wrong." if you can't see the problem with that, then we're probably done here.
also, i spoke in 1337 when i was 14, too. you're either in high school or you never grew up. unless 6 and 7 were a feeble attempt at humor. there's nothing funny about mushroom stamps.
you are the biggest fucking douchebag I've ever talked to on a message board. "I have this musical degree I know what I'm talking about". just shut. the. fuck. up. that argument about licking poop was the perfect example. you are fucked up in the brain if you eat or lick poop. it's a mental condition. kind of like what you seem to have. you're a fucking idiot and I think everything your saying is pure shit. like all of it, you missed the points, take the jokes serious because you ARE a dumb fucking cunt. I don't want you banned I could give a shit what you say, it's just fucking stupid that's all.
Tim Reynolds could do both and his solo career would get bigger and better. if he's playing frequently with people like jeff coffin, or neil young, or who ever pops up at rothbury it's just more and more doors opening for him. I can not for the life of me understand why he doesn't join them for their summer tours then tour in the winter for his solo/TR3 stuff or whatever, arrange and schedule that shit, they aren't fucking monkeys. you are a monkey though |
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Andre_Brazil
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 05:10:19 AM
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I think that Tim choose a path in his way that makes his music and his creations the first thing of all. Otherwise we had seen him playing in MTV clips and with a big label contract on his pocket. That's one of the many things that I respect on him. I love DMB (don't care about the crazy fans like those on antsmarching), and Tim makes them so much better! The 3 greater cd's from them, had his colaboration. That's what I think. Hey guys I'm not from US so I hope that you understand my bad english over here!
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Arthen
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 09:05:05 AM
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I don't think Fluffy will be posting links to DMB forums for a while...
How the hell did this thing get started? Greengrow, no one cares, just chill out. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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Fluffy
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 11:43:05 AM
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| I'd say it's a PERFECT example of why we DON'T get involved in those kinds of discussions anymore. Always seems to degenerate into name calling over what "I" consider a subjective subject which at the end of the day are nothing more than opinions. I'd say it's more of an indictment of "society" as a whole not just DMB or TR or fans of any band for that matter. For myself, I have to say 9 years of listening to arguments of opinion touted as fact where the author feels his/here opinion is the only valid opinion and won't give up until everyone agrees with his/her opinion or even try to see the other side is definitely a BIG part of what has left me gunshy. Bottom line, you can't educate those who don't want to be educated. They are convinced they know it all and must believe that theirs is the only opinion that matters. And to them it is the only opinion that matters. I am of the belief that you are entitled to your opinion and for me it is easier to respect that opinion as your own than try, no matter how much I disagree, to make you understand my side. Another factor is that we are talking about music here. I really don't give a flying fuck if you agree with me or if I change your mind. Everyone elses opinion about music doesn't matter to me enough. I would rather choose my battles about subjects of import like politics where there is a real reason to try and make people see it my way or try to educate folks to a different way of thinking on something that really matters. Peoples musical opinion is certainly not worth that effort. It's not going to change the world if I convince someone to believe that the Beatles changed music more than any other band in the world. |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 12:03:33 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Fluffy
I'd say it's a PERFECT example of why we DON'T get involved in those kinds of discussions anymore. Always seems to degenerate into name calling over what "I" consider a subjective subject which at the end of the day are nothing more than opinions. I'd say it's more of an indictment of "society" as a whole not just DMB or TR or fans of any band for that matter. For myself, I have to say 9 years of listening to arguments of opinion touted as fact where the author feels his/here opinion is the only valid opinion and won't give up until everyone agrees with his/her opinion or even try to see the other side is definitely a BIG part of what has left me gunshy. Bottom line, you can't educate those who don't want to be educated. They are convinced they know it all and must believe that theirs is the only opinion that matters. And to them it is the only opinion that matters. I am of the belief that you are entitled to your opinion and for me it is easier to respect that opinion as your own than try, no matter how much I disagree, to make you understand my side. Another factor is that we are talking about music here. I really don't give a flying fuck if you agree with me or if I change your mind. Everyone elses opinion about music doesn't matter to me enough. I would rather choose my battles about subjects of import like politics where there is a real reason to try and make people see it my way or try to educate folks to a different way of thinking on something that really matters. Peoples musical opinion is certainly not worth that effort. It's not going to change the world if I convince someone to believe that the Beatles changed music more than any other band in the world.
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Fluffy
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 12:18:28 PM
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greengrow wrote: quote:
I can not for the life of me understand why he doesn't join them for their summer tours then tour in the winter for his solo/TR3 stuff or whatever
A GREAT example of why I don't get involved in these discussions anymore.
First, it has been stated MANY TIMes on this board "why" TR doesn't do that?
Second, if you were a regular on this board and by that I mean someone who had been here for a while AND read all my posts on the subject you would know TR's reason for not doing that. As far as you "understanding" TR's decision to NOT to do that I realize that you may never understand even if you read his reasons you would then know his reasons but that still doesn't mean you would "understand" them or agree with them.
So hopefully you see the quandry that that statement creates for me. So then I must decide is it worth it to me to hash it out one more TIMe for someone who will prolly never understand TR's reasons since they prolly won't agree with them. Somehow you think it's my responsibility to educate folks on this. Well I have done that. The information is on this message board if someone took the TIMe to search it out. Someone who wants to educate themselves would search out the answer or alternately ASK why TR doesn't. Those 2 approaches would indicate to me someone who wants to educate themselves & subsequently would make me more likely to try to educate them. But taking on comments & opinions and feeling a need to educate folks who don't sound like they want to be educated. No thanks, seen where that road goes and it's a rocky road where I generally end up getting called names like "fucking idiot", "fucking douchebag" or "dumb fucking cunt" because someone doesn't agree with me or worse doesn't listen, OR even want to listen, to what I have to say. As far as "pussing out hardcore" I guess I would have to say that if I was trying to convince someone who hates milk or is allergic to milk to drink milk the likelihood of ever getting them to agree with my opinion that "milk is the best" I realistically see as "fruitless" and some might think I was "pussing out hardcore" & they are entitled to "their opinion" but I choose to look at it as fruitless discussion. |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 2:12:36 PM
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| fluffy you're cool. my beef is with knob job up there. |
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 2:25:15 PM
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here's my point:
alright I'll accept the fact that Tim is playing music for the art and his own personal enjoyment of it. If he is this "artist" as you say he is why does he play Dave and Tim shows, and for example this whole summer tour with them? or the D&F's shit? is it because he loves the music and people? or because he wants a little extra cash? or both?
There obviously was incentive enough for Tim to devote his whole summer to the Dave Matthews Band.
it just kind of makes that whole "pure artist" stuff sound like bs to me, but that's just me. What makes him less of an "artist" playing with dmb? he's making his own parts and ripping improv solos for thousands of people? it's not like their are limitations set by God or anything in music that says Tim Reynolds can't actively effect the songs, song structure and arrangement of a Dave Matthews song if he were to be working on it with Dave for example.
I don't know what I'm trying to accomplish other than I think this arrogant "I'm an artist" "I only play for me" "I don't give a fuck what people think" shit is COMPLETE shit.
Music is only EXPRESSION if other people do not connect to
Music is only ART when both the musician and audience are connected to the same emotion.
whether that be 10 or 10,000. if it were me I'd prefer to inspire 10,000 instead of 10people.
take all the subjective shit about whether a song is good or not and shove it. just sounds hypocritical that your argument is he's this "artist" and does what he wants but he's touring with the band and playing shows with them right now. isn't it hypocritical?
the other point is he's 50 or whatever, why hang on to that pretentious shit he's been saying since after the first Tim and Dave tour.
sorry I can't read this slow ass message board and keep up to date on all the "must read" posts.
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Arthen
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 3:48:58 PM
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| Happy Independence day everyone, where we are supposed to remind ourselves that we are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, however each of us chooses to define it, whether or not anyone else understands it. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 04:04:18 AM
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Just even a personal statement from me as a musician. Just my personal two cents.
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Originally posted by gnome44
Ask any musician...they don't create/perform music for anyone but themselves. It just so happens that he can make money doing it in front of people. Granted, there's an energy with performing in front of a live crowd...
Now Greengrow, don't take this offensively. This is just my personal thoughts and styles
When I am by myself playing, I play for the joy of playing. I absolutely love to sit down with any of my guitars and just start playing a song, writing a song, or just fooling around on it. I also love to goof off with my shit load of effects and make the craziest stuff sometimes.
When I am performing I play for the the audience as well as me. I want to perform to them and get a vibe back that we are in sync together and play together. I want to make them as happy as I am playing the music. I want to share the joy of music, my playing, and my creativeness with the audience. Yes I am up on stage, and I am playing for the sake of playing for me, but I also want to share that joy with the audience. I don't just play for me and stand in front of people. That is not my thing. I want to share what I can create, and make them feel that they can create and perform as well. It's like making love . . . wink wink nudge nudge . . . say no more . . . or so it seems . . . yeah, I'm a virgin, lol! So I play for them as well as for me.
But everyone is different, so I don't expect everyone to perform how I perform. |
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jsemon2
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 2:33:26 PM
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damn, this forum blew up.
greengrow, slow down a bit there. and right after fluffy says "do your research, the information is on this board" you reply right back asking as if he didn't state anything.
the thing you probably fail to realize is that this board is very unique in its kind, in that people that post actually are friends with Tim in real life.
just sit back and enjoy what's happening right now and dont expect anymore or less of it. don't try to read into it, speculate, etc. just enjoy it. |
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 4:03:45 PM
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Originally posted by jsemon2
damn, this forum blew up.
greengrow, slow down a bit there. and right after fluffy says "do your research, the information is on this board" you reply right back asking as if he didn't state anything.
the thing you probably fail to realize is that this board is very unique in its kind, in that people that post actually are friends with Tim in real life.
just sit back and enjoy what's happening right now and dont expect anymore or less of it. don't try to read into it, speculate, etc. just enjoy it.
Sorry to come off as a prick with all trash talk thrown in at other fans. I don't have a ton of time to search around for specific things.. what those exact things I need to read are.. I have no clue. I'm sure people come here all the time, dmb fans just running the rant. but that wasn't what I was trying to do at all.
to kind of respond to thespian up there, I agree. I'm a musician myself and it's a huge part of my life. I love sitting down with my laptop setup and just recording songs of sorts and styles, whatever I feel like letting loose. then I like getting out there at shows and trying to convey that feeling or vibe to the audience as well. it's really hard to do. Tim Does it. Whether the crowd be small, or it be big. some of the crowds at the small shows often hear about him because of the Dave Matthews Band. Even though he's a great, extremely modest artist whose been playing for longer than I've been a live. I have nothing but pure respect and admiration for Tim and his decisions. just for the record.
But that point of connecting to people with your music Tim has already accomplished. when I was going to go to the TR3 show with my two friends I got the pukes and couldn't go, they went and said it was great. Tim is a fantastic musician. That Artist Respect IS THERE. he doesn't have to struggle to be respected like you and me who are still working the system trying to find some way to fit our music in and get it to some sort of an audience.
Tim's energy, the style, the completely spontaneous approach. I mean he's Top of line. He should be playing for thousands because he IS connected to them, especially the ones who may not have heard them.
The Dave Matthews Band Fanbase completely recycled itself, it's fucking weird. when I first was a fan I was in 7th grade and all the older fans where the age I am now, around 24. now most of the fans that were "old school" are gone or not around because they have lives and tickets are 72 buck + service for pavilion. so this new wave of young dmb fans has inherited the band essentially. There are still plenty of old school fans going, but I used to go through warehouse and get killer seats, the whole super fan dealio. last show I didn't even care and scored lawn just to have some fun. and it was.
because Tim made it fresh. Tim is up there man. even though the money solo wasn't on and he was fucking with it I still had a good time and was INSPIRED by them appearing to just like jamming out. sometimes I thought they totally didn't want to be playing. but others it seemed like they were just in the zone. I don't know, it seems like Tim is at the top of his game right now and could help push music in the right direction. how amazing would a festival with this sort of line up be:
Dave Matthews Band w/Tim Reynolds
Radiohead
Pearl Jam
R.E.M.
Neil Young
Allman Brothers Band
Gov't Mule
Phil Lesh & Friends
Ween
My Morning Jacket
Sigur Ros
etc
get people exposed to the music more. not some commerical success like bonnaroo. more of a benefit.
just all these people who play, like your saying for themselves, for the art of it, but also for the art of conveying that message...
I don't know maybe I'm just an naive punk ass. I don't think Tim being in DMB will change the world on it's own, but I think him teaming up with them and a bunch of other amazing out spoken musicians could start some people questioning the way things are in the world a little more. but I mean a full no bias collaboration of music.
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 12:17:52 AM
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Here's another one for you guys...
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=224126
These people need lives.
Have any of you ever even seen a vagina? Would you be able to pick a vagina out of a lineup? If I had a vagina, a donut and a mop could you tell me which one it was? |
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greengrow
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 01:45:28 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
Here's another one for you guys...
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=224126
These people need lives.
Have any of you ever even seen a vagina? Would you be able to pick a vagina out of a lineup? If I had a vagina, a donut and a mop could you tell me which one it was?
vagina's are sweet but we're talking about music on music forums. bitch. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 02:22:06 AM
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| I get vaginas and donuts confused with all the time. |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 07:16:35 AM
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Originally posted by greengrow
vagina's are sweet but we're talking about music on music forums. bitch.
Settle down there, sport. |
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gnome44
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 10:49:02 AM
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Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
Here's another one for you guys...
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=224126
These people need lives.
At least they nailed the fact that Warren Haynes is a joke of guitarist who has somehow tricked the world into thinking he can actually play... |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 10:55:36 AM
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| I don't know if I got that far. I stopped reading after I saw someone say "Eric Clapton is GOD." |
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gnome44
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 11:00:45 AM
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| I was basing that on the vote tally at the beginning... |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 12:32:08 PM
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| I'm actually surprised that Eric Clapton made it into that poll since he has never guested with DMB. It seems the only way that DMB fans are introduced to new music is when an artist or band member guests with DMB. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 2:33:45 PM
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greengrow. truce? let's start over, without all the bullshit this time, now that your points are more clearly expressed. tell me if i'm missing a point of what you've said. your more recent posts are easier to follow.
you said that you would prefer it if tim reynold's music, his playing, energy, ect., reached more people through collaboration with different artists. after all, the more people he reaches, the more people he inspires. and that sort of thing would influence music in a better direction.
i'll agree with that. tim reynolds could add a lot to the music of any artist he works with. look at how much he adds to dmb songs. look at how many people he's inspired with his solo music. he could probably do a lot more good on a larger scale by reaching larger audiences.
except it doesn't seem like that's what he wants to do. you say you don't understand that. fair enough. maybe if you get some time, read some of the interviews or try to find some archive posts about why he doesn't do that. it's possible your philosophy on the subject can't can see eye to eye with his. that happens from time to time.
"What makes him less of an "artist" playing with dmb?"
i've asked this, too, because it seems a lot of people do take the stance that him playing with dmb makes him less of an artist. i don't get how someone can think that. i think, as far as that goes, he's really old friends with the band, especially dave matthews himself, who used to tend bar at the place where tim reynolds regularly played. that probably comes into play a little in his decision to do those tours. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 8:15:16 PM
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Originally posted by gnome44
At least they nailed the fact that Warren Haynes is a joke of guitarist who has somehow tricked the world into thinking he can actually play...
I like Warren Haynes. Why do you say he is a joke of a guitarist? I don't think he is the best. He is far from the likes of David Gilmour, Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Jimi Hendrix, and Tim, but I think he is good. I love his performance with DMB on the Central Park DVD/CD. He does some good solos for both Jimi Thing and Cortez the Killer. I also think he is a good song writer. I have 2 Gov't Mule albums and I like them both.
I mean, you may not like his style, but what makes you think he is a joke of a guitarst? |
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gnome44
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 9:25:25 PM
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It was hyperbole.
Of course he's not really a joke. I don't think he deserves most of the accolades he receives. He's no Duane Allman...that's for sure.
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 9:25:27 PM
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Hey Nick, you're posting and it's not 2 AM. What gives?  |
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greengrow
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 9:29:09 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
greengrow. truce? let's start over, without all the bullshit this time, now that your points are more clearly expressed. tell me if i'm missing a point of what you've said. your more recent posts are easier to follow.
you said that you would prefer it if tim reynold's music, his playing, energy, ect., reached more people through collaboration with different artists. after all, the more people he reaches, the more people he inspires. and that sort of thing would influence music in a better direction.
i'll agree with that. tim reynolds could add a lot to the music of any artist he works with. look at how much he adds to dmb songs. look at how many people he's inspired with his solo music. he could probably do a lot more good on a larger scale by reaching larger audiences.
except it doesn't seem like that's what he wants to do. you say you don't understand that. fair enough. maybe if you get some time, read some of the interviews or try to find some archive posts about why he doesn't do that. it's possible your philosophy on the subject can't can see eye to eye with his. that happens from time to time.
"What makes him less of an "artist" playing with dmb?"
i've asked this, too, because it seems a lot of people do take the stance that him playing with dmb makes him less of an artist. i don't get how someone can think that. i think, as far as that goes, he's really old friends with the band, especially dave matthews himself, who used to tend bar at the place where tim reynolds regularly played. that probably comes into play a little in his decision to do those tours.
oh yeah dude we're totally cool, we've been cool. I don't really take the emotional part of this messageboard shit seriously, I like spazzin out sometimes though when I'm real fucked up. hopefully I haven't done anything to disrespect tim or his music in the process of being an asshole. I remember when I was 16 I was trying my hardest to figure out one of the riffs to his songs (I was a couple idiot about it, no theory, knew how to play trumpet a little and read music a little but not much) so there I say trying to figure out one of tim's songs, literally 1 second at a time. play->pause->rewind->play,etc for hours and hours. then I saw I could e-mail him at his webtv account or something weird as fuck. like "why the fuck does he have webtv", but he responded and it fucking tripped me out, he's like something something try putting it drop C. and my 16 year-old mind was like waa.. oka.. how awesome. I'll never forget it. TR is the fucking man start to finish. he's like a morphing psycho cyclone that just changes with whatever music vibe he runs into then just consumes it and makes it soar like a fucking dragon hawk over the sky line of a maple tree. did you just hear that fucking poetry? freestyle str8 up.
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 05:42:50 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
Hey Nick, you're posting and it's not 2 AM. What gives?
Here, it's 4:34 am. Happy? |
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 6:29:33 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ranting Thespian
quote:
Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
Hey Nick, you're posting and it's not 2 AM. What gives?
Here, it's 4:34 am. Happy?
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 09/13/2008 : 10:19:35 PM
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Poll, who's board memebers are more full of ducebags:
antsmarching.org
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
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Posted - 09/14/2008 : 7:41:06 PM
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Being THE authority on this board, I have this to proclaim:
1) Dave-Boarders are all fucked.
2) Tim Reynolds does whatever the hell he pleases, and you'll shut the hell up about it.
3) Arguing with Dan P. is like masturbating with a cheese grater. It's agonizing, but at least you're masturbating.
4) Nick, learn how to spell. Especially on derogatory comments.
HRW has spoken.
Fluffy, I'll be seeing you guys at Highline in NYC, it's been a while! Hope all is well! |
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dan p.
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 12:58:44 AM
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| this just in: morons on the internet say stupid things in regards to topics they know nothing about. more at 11. |
death to false metal. |
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 09/15/2008 : 01:46:49 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
Being THE authority on this board, I have this to proclaim:
1) Dave-Boarders are all fucked.
2) Tim Reynolds does whatever the hell he pleases, and you'll shut the hell up about it.
3) Arguing with Dan P. is like masturbating with a cheese grater. It's agonizing, but at least you're masturbating.
4) Nick, learn how to spell. Especially on derogatory comments.
HRW has spoken.
Fluffy, I'll be seeing you guys at Highline in NYC, it's been a while! Hope all is well!
Oh yeah? Well your mama's so fat that when she walked outside, a little boy pointed at her and said, "hey, you're fat!" |
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Kevin
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Posted - 09/18/2008 : 11:13:53 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
Here's another good one for you.
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=232257
I was just gonna bring this up...maybe Fluffy can go more into detail here? Lots of rumors get concocted over there, so I'm always a little hesitant to rely on someone's "official" inside info. |
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 03:47:08 AM
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| Official member? I highly doubt it. Tim has to deal with TR3 and his solo material as well. To 100% dedicate himself to DMB doesn't seem like Tim, nor does it seem like he has time for it. Yes I see him on the next album, and I can still see him touring with them on and off again like in the past. But as a permanent member, just can't see it. I would be in shock if the rumor is true. |
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Arthen
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 04:07:30 AM
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| If I don't get a TR3 tour on the west coast in the next eight months, I'm gonna go apeshit. The show would be twice the fun of a DMB show and a third the cost. |
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 09/20/2008 : 01:50:14 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Arthen
If I don't get a TR3 tour on the west coast in the next eight months, I'm gonna go apeshit. The show would be twice the fun of a DMB show and a third the cost.
Unless it is front row seats at Alpine Valley with Tim playing with DMB. That would take the cake, especially the setlists they performed this year at both shows. |
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Arthen
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Posted - 09/20/2008 : 02:35:24 AM
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| Nope. I want a TR3 funky show. And I want a TR3 album. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 09/20/2008 : 09:11:35 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Arthen
Nope. I want a TR3 funky show. And I want a TR3 album.
Ditto. While I believe that Tim could bring DMB new new heights (as he proved this last tour) I really hope he keeps doing is own thing with TR3. I cannot wait for the new TR3 album! |
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dancheatham
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Posted - 09/20/2008 : 10:27:01 AM
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I'm not saying I believe the rumor that TR is going to officially join DMB (if he hasn't done so in 17 years, I don't think he would now), BUT even if he does start playing on all of their albums again and going on tour with them every year, I don't see why that would stop TR3. DMB only plays shows in the summer, and sometimes the fall; TR3 could do fall, winter, and spring tours, and could continue to play one-off shows here and there during DMB season.
Remember that year when Warren Haynes was playing with Gov't Mule, ABB, and the Dead simultaneously? It can be done...
But again, I don't really see Tim becoming a member of DMB this late in the game, even in light of LeRoi's death. |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 09/20/2008 : 10:43:18 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by dancheatham
I'm not saying I believe the rumor that TR is going to officially join DMB (if he hasn't done so in 17 years, I don't think he would now), BUT even if he does start playing on all of their albums again and going on tour with them every year, I don't see why that would stop TR3. DMB only plays shows in the summer, and sometimes the fall; TR3 could do fall, winter, and spring tours, and could continue to play one-off shows here and there during DMB season.
Remember that year when Warren Haynes was playing with Gov't Mule, ABB, and the Dead simultaneously? It can be done...
But again, I don't really see Tim becoming a member of DMB this late in the game, even in light of LeRoi's death.
Well put Dan. You make a good point that it could definitely be done. 2008 has actually been a great example of how Tim can do the DMB stuff and TR3 at the same time.
I have mixed emotions about the whole thing. I would love for Tim to be a full time member of DMB because of what he brings to the table, but at the same time I would worry that the solo material/TR3 would suffer. Until Fluffy weighs in though, it's all speculation. |
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Arthen
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Posted - 09/20/2008 : 1:26:34 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by dancheatham
I'm not saying I believe the rumor that TR is going to officially join DMB (if he hasn't done so in 17 years, I don't think he would now), BUT even if he does start playing on all of their albums again and going on tour with them every year, I don't see why that would stop TR3. DMB only plays shows in the summer, and sometimes the fall; TR3 could do fall, winter, and spring tours, and could continue to play one-off shows here and there during DMB season.
Remember that year when Warren Haynes was playing with Gov't Mule, ABB, and the Dead simultaneously? It can be done...
But again, I don't really see Tim becoming a member of DMB this late in the game, even in light of LeRoi's death.
It would still be one less season for a possible Tim tour. Plus, shows in between DMB shows would have to be close to the main tour limiting the area TR could cover on his own. Plus, I don't think TR would want to try to cram in that much touring in a year. I'm just hoping for the maximum percent of chances to see TR3. I missed Chaos View in 2002, I don't want a repeat. |
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Arthen
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Posted - 09/21/2008 : 6:35:28 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
You shut your filthy, metal mouth, Dan. You cock.
Wrong Dan. |
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dan p.
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Posted - 09/21/2008 : 7:45:32 PM
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| probably a force of habit. |
death to false metal. |
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jjkim1028
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Posted - 09/22/2008 : 5:52:29 PM
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oh, boy...
why so much hate? |
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dan p.
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Posted - 09/23/2008 : 3:38:19 PM
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it gives us focus, makes us stronger.
or, we're joking around. |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 09/30/2008 : 6:54:33 PM
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YIKES!!! And then something like this:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by water_into_wine
Listen to Betrayal. I personally think it is a great piece of improv, skill, and music.
Improv? Not so much, the man has been playing that song pretty much the same since he debuted it. Not to say that it isn't a fabulous piece of music. I've gotten a little bit into Tim's solo stuff and while there are some great pieces (Stream, Metamorphosis, Impermanence, You Are My Sanity, and Betrayal) if you notice, he only plays a few select songs when he is given a solo slot. Tim is a little too scattered to be focused in the way the greats are. Not to belittle his talent, but he's just not on the same level as the top guitarists of all time.
Of course the topic of this NEW thread is the Rolling Stone 100 Greatest Guitarists list from 2003. Seems Ants is just getting around to addressing the greivous omission of TR. hehe Here is a link to the thread if you DARE check it out:
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=232915
And then there is the "sanity" reply:
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=232932 |
Peace & Keep the Faith
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dancheatham
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Posted - 09/30/2008 : 9:18:28 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
You shut your filthy, metal mouth, Dan. You cock.
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gnome44
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Posted - 09/30/2008 : 10:25:41 PM
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He wasn't referring to you.
He was referring to dan p. |
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dancheatham
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Posted - 09/30/2008 : 11:24:32 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by gnome44
He wasn't referring to you.
He was referring to dan p.
haha I thought so, just wanted a good reason to use that smiley ;) |
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jsemon2
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 11:17:50 PM
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| haha, he does have an afro. as far the electric stuff, there are quite a few people on this board that arent fans of it either. but to each his own, right. luckily the we know tim well be back to some solo acoustic before too long. then back to electric, and back to acoustic......etc |
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gnome44
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 11:54:52 PM
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GRRRRR...
The stupidity of those threads never ceases to amaze me... |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 09:22:04 AM
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The close mindedness of a lot of DMB fans amazes me, especially when they are fans of DMB that doesn't really sound like anything else out there and isn't really mainstream.
I am never shocked when someone posts that TR3 isn't good or Tim's voice sucks or Tim's solo work sucks. It is obvious that they just aren't into it and they're expecting something else...maybe a DMB cover band? The thing that really irritates me is that people post things on that board so matter of factly as if their opinion is the final word and therefore Tim should only play with DMB (but not too often) and should only play acoustic. |
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LeroiMfan
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 1:34:33 PM
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| mmm I sort of disagree GuitarGuy, I think DMB went main stream a long time ago. They're still good though. |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 2:50:10 PM
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You could say that Everyday did that, but maybe mainstream isn't the word I'm looking for. I guess what I'm trying to say is that nothing else on the radio currently or that I can remember in the not to distant past has sounded like DMB. DMB has a pretty unique sound and a instrument line up not often found in popular music. Even though their sound has changed over the years, it still stands out from the crowd, at least for me.
All I'm really saying is that a lot of people that like DMB also seem to have pretty eclectic musical tastes otherwise, which is why I find it funny that so many of their fans don't like TR3 or Tim's solo stuff. |
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 7:13:20 PM
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You know, I absolutely LOVE DMB. I listen to them all the time. If it wasn't for DMB and Dave, I would never know Tim. I found out about Tim because of Live @ Luther College. Because of that, I bought See Into Your Soul. Then I got Astral Projection, and when I listened to it I was shocked to hear what I heard. It took a little while, but it grew on me. Now I love his electric/TR3 stuff as well.
I never consider DMB to be a sellout band. They never do things for the money, and they make their own decisions musically. If they really disliked Everyday, they wouldn't have gone through with it. Carter did say that Everyday was not a DMB album, but a Dave and Glen album. However, he said they made one hell of an album. They were trying to do something different to get out of the funk. Yes, it wasn't their best, but it wasn't them selling out. The problem with Stand Up was that they rushed it do to time constraints. I bet if they had more time to really tweak some songs, and tighten the material it would have been a good album instead of mediocre.
I love DMB, I love D&T, I love D&F, I love TR acoustic, I love TR+effects, I love TR electric, and I love TR3. |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 09:04:15 AM
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I don't think anyone mentioned DMB selling out. I do not think they are sell outs, not in the least. I just mentioned that Everyday was part of what made them more mainstream. I Did It, The Space Between and Everyday were pretty big singles from what I remember. Crash Into Me also gained them quite a bit of popularity and it even made it on Pop-Up Video (anyone remember that show??)
Again, my main point is that I find it ironic that hard core DMB fans, whose favorite band sounds nothing like anything else in mainstream music, are so critical of "different" music like TR solo or TR3.
That being said, I also got into Tim through DMB, but I now consider myself a bigger fan of Tim's than of DMB. I remember buying Sanctuary soon after hearing him playing with them on Live at Red Rocks. From there I was hooked and had to own everything TR had ever released. |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 11:50:56 AM
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With UTTAD, DMB definitely made it into the river of 'mainstream' music, the cool thing was they never really got caught up in the media frenzy.
With Everyday, they just changed producers, where after doing 3 incredible records with Lillywhite, changed gears and did something a BIT different. I don't think they ever 'sold out', though, in my humble opinion, they did start sounding a bit stale.
Glad TR is back on board, and hopefully they'll regain some of that freshness from their first few records.
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 6:06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
Dave boarders are fucking morons, for the record.
For the most part, yes. There are a few rays of light out there, but not many. |
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 8:18:24 PM
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| I never said anyone said they sold out. I just was making a statement. That's all. |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 11/27/2008 : 11:59:24 AM
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Originally posted by Ranting Thespian
I never said anyone said they sold out. I just was making a statement. That's all.
Gotcha. Sorry for the misunderstanding. |
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Arthen
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Posted - 12/01/2008 : 2:19:39 PM
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| Everyone knows that while they are soundchecking TR plays electric guitar in front of his weed. He rocks so hard the THC flies out of the weed and into TR. Duh. |
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Ranting Thespian
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Posted - 12/03/2008 : 03:56:57 AM
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| Everyone knows that Tim actually doesn't play live, and it's a hologram that plays that he recorded before the tour, so he sits in the back smoking the whole time. Duh, that's like common knowledge. |
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dancheatham
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 4:33:03 PM
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This is one of the best I've seen. It's one of those threads where I keep beginning to type a lengthy, thought-out response, but close it out before I get too far because I know how futile it would be.
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=238620&page=6 |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 4:52:34 PM
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| Saw this one myself. I also start typing responses to these sometimes and then just close them. You really can't reason with these people. HUGE reason I hope Tim never officially joins DMB. |
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gnome44
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 6:11:56 PM
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This one was pretty harsh, I think...
"Technically and far more so musically. Again, my biggest problem with Tim is his utter lack of musicality. I think he's sloppy when he gets fast and I'm not a fan of his tone, but I could overlook that completely if he was musical. But he's anything but. There's inferior guitarists technically that are infinitely more musical than he is that I would rank higher even. That's why I feel more honest when I say 4-5. Besides the plethora of guys that are superior technically and musically, there's so many that are superior just musically that I feel are worthy of being ranked higher than him as well. And really, on more time, there are just soooooooooooooooooo many guys out there who at the very, very, very least can objectively do everything he does as well as him; and as said, usually far better. If you think otherwise, you truly have no idea what you're talking about. Truly, despite what you may think, some of these things can ABSOLUTELY be gauged factually."[ |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 8:23:52 PM
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Let's not forget that these people have heard Tim play with DMB for an entire Summer tour now and plenty of T&D shows so, yeah, they know a lot more about Tim as a guitarist than any of us does.
Seriously, do you think these people could name 10 Tim Reynolds songs without doing a Google search?
The guy you quoted is a perfect example. He is most likely basing his opinion of off one or two Tim solos with DMB during Jimi Thing or something else. A lot of these people forget or just don't care that he's his own artist and his work with Dave and DMB does not define him as a guitarist. He fits in where he needs to when playing with them and that's it. But this is the same kind of person that would go to a Tim solo acoustic show and then say it was "too weird" because he did some stuff with a ring modulator and looped it.
Again, my main issue with many in the DMB fan base is that they have a narrow view of music and if it's not their cup of tea that it just shouldn't be liked by anyone. The nice thing about that is that the people that DO like Tim on his own and find their way to our boards are usually pretty cool people who are actually open to new and original things. |
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gnome44
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 11:30:51 PM
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In all fairness, it seems that the majority of the people liked Tim.
Although they might have a pretty narrow opinion of him...at least they appreciate the genius that is TR. |
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dan p.
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Posted - 01/16/2009 : 02:15:11 AM
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does he give examples of how tim reynolds lacks musicality? i don't disagree with him 100%, either. i also think he can get a little sloppy when he goes for speed on the electric, and a lot of things that go into musicality and technically can be measured objectively.
lacks musicality? lacks what? and in what medium? as far as his acoustic work goes, his sense of melody and cadence, as well as his command of harmony and function, are superb. his use of dynamics is effective. i could do with more changes in tone, but the tone that he has is rich.
as far as his electric work goes, i'm just not a fan, so i'm not as familiar with it. i've heard and seen him play with dmb enough to understand that some people would consider his solos ostentatious and lacking in taste. i disagree. at the worst of times, he sounds slightly out of place. as far as his contributions to dmb's songs as a whole, they are excellent. they're subtle, and they add depth. |
death to false metal. |
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Fluffy
Administrator
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Posted - 01/16/2009 : 04:03:56 AM
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| When I checked in on the thread 348 votes were for 8, 9 and 10 out of 397 votes cast. I'd say thats not too damn bad! Seems the people who want to comment are always the ones with only criticism. Notice how almost all of you said you started typing then stopped. The naysayers are usually the FIRST and the loudest with comments. Whatever!! We know how we think about TR so let the whiners whine. You can't please everyone. hehe I think the funniest part is TR would probably agree with most of the comments leveled against him even though we don't LOL Not about the musicality prolly but definitely the sloppiness. LOL |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Cuff
Is Anybody Here?
Australia
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 06:50:20 AM
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| it's so nice to come to a board of mostly sane people. ants wears me out |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 08:31:32 AM
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it's so nice to come to a board of mostly sane people. ants wears me out
LOL!
I am the "old lady" here. Only read ants a few times but the comments, especially by women in their 20's & 30's made me think of when I was infatuated with the Beatles. Only difference is that I was 11! Hard for me to understand the infatuation with DMB.
Cuff, while I don't know how sane anyone here is, LOL, I will say this board is ALL about the music! |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 2:06:43 PM
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| women in their 20s and 30s are a trainwreck. |
death to false metal. |
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Kevin
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 3:09:27 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
women in their 20s and 30s are a trainwreck.
100% true |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 3:16:18 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
does he give examples of how tim reynolds lacks musicality? i don't disagree with him 100%, either. i also think he can get a little sloppy when he goes for speed on the electric, and a lot of things that go into musicality and technically can be measured objectively.
lacks musicality? lacks what? and in what medium? as far as his acoustic work goes, his sense of melody and cadence, as well as his command of harmony and function, are superb. his use of dynamics is effective. i could do with more changes in tone, but the tone that he has is rich.
as far as his electric work goes, i'm just not a fan, so i'm not as familiar with it. i've heard and seen him play with dmb enough to understand that some people would consider his solos ostentatious and lacking in taste. i disagree. at the worst of times, he sounds slightly out of place. as far as his contributions to dmb's songs as a whole, they are excellent. they're subtle, and they add depth.
This is the single best post you've ever made. Thank you Dan. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 01/22/2009 : 05:17:00 AM
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Originally posted by dan p.
women in their 20s and 30s are a trainwreck.
My best friend Anna is in her 20s. She is one of the greatest people I know. Be careful what you say. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
Nick
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